From ziplock@yabbs Wed Dec 16 21:41:57 1992 From: ziplock@yabbs To: uufnord@yabbs Subject: re: Also... Date: Wed Dec 16 21:41:57 1992 In message re: Also..., uufnord said: > I don't like the packet sniffers, actually; the best time to run > them is when a lot of ppl are using the system, and since they're > by nature CPU HOGS, system performance would start to bite, and > you run the risk of someone saying "Hey, what's that there process > doing?" That's why you run them on a PC or a Mac ;) Use Etherpeek or something like that.ÿ From dmonger@yabbs Thu Dec 17 14:30:07 1992 From: dmonger@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: drive geometry Date: Thu Dec 17 14:30:07 1992 couldn't thik of a better place to post this. Does anyone know the geometry of an IBM R-44 hardrive? I'm trying to get it installed in my PC and I need to convince my BIOS that it exists. -dmonger From reaper@yabbs Thu Dec 24 14:08:22 1992 From: reaper@yabbs To: uufnord@yabbs Subject: re: Also... Date: Thu Dec 24 14:08:22 1992 In message re: Also..., uufnord said: > best way to gather passwords -- modify the login source, if you can. > If you can't, you could try to develop some other login replacement. ÿ From skitch@yabbs Thu Jan 7 21:03:12 1993 From: skitch@yabbs To: mandrake@yabbs Subject: re: bsd386 & security. Date: Thu Jan 7 21:03:12 1993 Does anyone happen to know how to shadow password files in SunOS 4.1.1? ÿ From slayer@yabbs Sat Jan 9 01:47:20 1993 From: slayer@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: bsd386 & security. Date: Sat Jan 9 01:47:20 1993 Hmm... Does anyone know how to get the REAL passwd file from ANONYMOUS ftp? /s ÿ From htoaster@yabbs Sat Jan 9 08:53:09 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: slayer@yabbs Subject: re: bsd386 & security. Date: Sat Jan 9 08:53:09 1993 You can't. For one thing, anon ftp is chrooted to another directory, so you can't even get to the real "/etc" directory, just the /etc off of the ftp tree. For another thing, the whole point of shadowing is too make it so that you can't get to the shadow file without user 0 (root) privs. htoaster ÿ From omc@yabbs Mon Jan 11 12:37:34 1993 From: omc@yabbs To: slayer@yabbs Subject: re: bsd386 & security. Date: Mon Jan 11 12:37:34 1993 In message re: bsd386 & security., slayer said: > Hmm... Does anyone know how to get the REAL passwd file from > ANONYMOUS ftp? the only way (as far as i know) is tftp adn knowing where it is at ÿ From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 11 21:59:24 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: omc@yabbs Subject: re: bsd386 & security. Date: Mon Jan 11 21:59:24 1993 In message re: bsd386 & security., omc said: > the only way (as far as i know) is tftp adn knowing where it is at And anyone who has set their site up worth beans should have tftp disabled. This technique is really becoming less and less useful these days (even unix dists have tftp disabled sometimes). htoaster ÿ From ranjur@yabbs Sat Jan 16 05:50:31 1993 From: ranjur@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Sat Jan 16 05:50:31 1993 does anybody know of a way to intercept unix sessions by intercepting tty's, etc, or maybe monitoring ethernet packets? Assume i have root access... From riben@yabbs Sun Jan 17 11:58:40 1993 From: riben@yabbs To: ranjur@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Sun Jan 17 11:58:40 1993 If you have root access, the world is your oyster. You can both intercept all data to come via the tty's, AND run a ethernet packet sniffer. Keep in mind that the packets you see are only the ones on your local LAN. What sort of application did you have in mind? From reaper@yabbs Tue Jan 19 19:25:14 1993 From: reaper@yabbs To: ranjur@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Tue Jan 19 19:25:14 1993 well, look in the latest issue of Phrack (#41) for an article about TTY spoofing. basically, tty spoofing is looking for a new terminal that has just been opened and seizing it so that you can fake the login: and password: prompts. ÿ From reaper@yabbs Tue Jan 19 19:25:57 1993 From: reaper@yabbs To: ranjur@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Tue Jan 19 19:25:57 1993 oh about my previous message anbout the article in phrack . . . you don't need root access for this one! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ÿ From riben@yabbs Tue Jan 19 19:45:09 1993 From: riben@yabbs To: reaper@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Tue Jan 19 19:45:09 1993 Sure, no need for root access. Unfortunately, it tends not to work on any system. The Pitt system that was used as an example has been fixed for some time. From lancer@yabbs Sun Jan 24 01:45:41 1993 From: lancer@yabbs To: reaper@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Sun Jan 24 01:45:41 1993 Yeah, that article was pretty lame... Most of that stuf was done the hard way... Easiest is just to look over somebody's shoulder... *grin* Seriously, if you're going to go through all that trouble you must be pretty desperate for an account. I mean, don't get me wrong, it was interesting to see HOW the author got tty spoofing to work, but I wouldn't bother trying it even if I DID want an account. Give me a nice reality hack any day... If you've got root, you can do anything. It is VERY possible to intercept packets off the LAN and get any info you want. But if you've got root, why do you really WANT all that info? My experience has been that once someone gets root, they pretty much give up hacking out accounts... god, I sound like such a pessimist... *grin* .s. From reaper@yabbs Sun Jan 24 13:24:47 1993 From: reaper@yabbs To: lancer@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Sun Jan 24 13:24:47 1993 In message re: UNIX session intercepting.., lancer said: > Most of that stuf was done the hard way... Easiest is just to look over > somebody's shoulder... *grin* Seriously, if you're going to go through > all that trouble you must be pretty desperate for an account. I *have* an account; I just thought I'd let you know about it, too :) - sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper ÿ From sand@yabbs Wed Feb 3 17:43:01 1993 From: sand@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: bsd386 & security. Date: Wed Feb 3 17:43:01 1993 or you could always unshadow it with a simple program;) From achtung@yabbs Sun Feb 7 14:36:54 1993 From: achtung@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: processes Date: Sun Feb 7 14:36:54 1993 I wish I had the root psswd, but unfortunately don't. is there any possible way to kill other users' processes without it? I'm talking about an apollo system on Domain/OS, running BSD4.3. damn lusers don't exit from their processes properly... -AChT From zeus@yabbs Sun Feb 7 18:23:50 1993 From: zeus@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Sun Feb 7 18:23:50 1993 Well, on the workstations at CMU we have a mortis program that kills all unattended processes and cleans up the tmp directories. Very useful (unfortunately, it only runs from the console, so it can't be used on the UNIX servers...) From htoaster@yabbs Sun Feb 7 23:24:52 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: zeus@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Sun Feb 7 23:24:52 1993 Yeah, and there isn't like anything like that at other schools (here mortis is a program that is setuid root, so it can do that easily). You might try talking to sysadmins at your site about stuff like that, or just finding other machines to use (can be hard at some schools). htoaster ÿ From vmax!@yabbs Mon Feb 8 11:20:03 1993 From: vmax!@yabbs To: zeus@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Mon Feb 8 11:20:03 1993 In message re: processes, zeus said: > (unfortunately, it only runs from the console, so it can't be used on the > UNIX servers...) On the Unix servers, there is a program called reaper that does this... It mainly watches idle ttys before doing anything though. why is it that some normal processes like shells can take up full cpu time on BSD systems waiting for input? Some sort of race condition? I freqenltly see my shells running @ 99% CPU time for hours when I log in Syon ÿ From buddha@yabbs Thu Feb 11 07:18:13 1993 From: buddha@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Thu Feb 11 07:18:13 1993 I was wondering if any of you could help me-- I'm trying to do binary file transfers over a 7-bit line. I can't get sz or xmodem to work... They just um, don't work. Kermit works OK for text but I can't get it to do binary. Any ideas? When I try to use sz, it sends the first bit, so my system pops up the blue box and gets ready to recieve, then nothing. Xmodem just does nothing, it says to get ready for a recieve but doesn't send anything. It just stops. I was wondering if I have to set the line the I'm calling in on, like the -l /dev/whatever for kermit... ANYONE? -Boo From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 11 09:27:54 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: buddha@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Thu Feb 11 09:27:54 1993 zmodem and xmodem won't work over 7-bit lines (they were designed for 8 bit connections), so you are going to be stuck with kermit. It sounds like you are using telix, which I think has a setting for binary or ascii kermit transfers in one of the menus. On the kermit that you are sending from you will have to enter a command like "set file type binary" to send a binary file. htoaster ÿ From buddha@yabbs Sat Feb 13 13:50:00 1993 From: buddha@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Sat Feb 13 13:50:00 1993 Yeah, I found out that the computer here wieventually adjust to an 8-bit line if I call and wade through a scrambled login. I can do transfers fine, as long as I use kermit. Everything else fucks up after a couple k. Zmodem goes OK for 3k then it gives me a "Long (something)" error. I can't remember. Not block, but smaller. I dunno. That's if I don't set it for ASCII translation (from the Unix to DOS format). If I DO set it for ASCII translate, it goes balmy at about 19 or 20 k, regardless of the file. Any ideas? -Boo From htoaster@yabbs Sun Feb 14 01:42:17 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: buddha@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Sun Feb 14 01:42:17 1993 Have you tried using sz -e? The -e escapes a few control characters. Also, if you are dialing into an annex (has a prompt that says "annex: ") try typing: stty tesc undef stty attn undef stty bchar 8 parity none The first two disable control characters for escaping telnet (you can always use break (control-end on telix) instead). The last sets your line to n81, instead of e71 (if that is the default). htoaster ÿ From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 22:59:05 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: bsd386 & security. Date: Sun Feb 14 22:59:05 1993 In message re: bsd386 & security., htoaster said: > You can't. For one thing, anon ftp is chrooted to another directory, so you > can't even get to the real "/etc" directory, just the /etc off of the ftp > tree. For another thing, the whole point of shadowing is too make it so > that you can't get to the shadow file without user 0 (root) privs. Plus I found out that under 386bsd all requests for /etc/pwd.db are piped to console as an error message. Since I have an ftp site running on my system, I put up the wuarchive ftpd and with the error message date/time and the wuarchive xferstats log I determined the user account and system that the request came from.ÿ From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 23:00:44 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: achtung@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Sun Feb 14 23:00:44 1993 In message processes, achtung said: > is there any possible way to kill other users' processes without it? > I'm talking about an apollo system on Domain/OS, running BSD4.3. > damn lusers don't exit from their processes properly... turn off the machine.ÿ From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 23:02:33 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Sun Feb 14 23:02:33 1993 In message re: processes, htoaster said: > connections), so you are going to be stuck with kermit. you should look into PPP or SLIP so you can route IP packets over 7-bit connections and just ftp to your machine.ÿ From ziplock@yabbs Sun Feb 14 23:03:36 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: buddha@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Sun Feb 14 23:03:36 1993 In message re: processes, buddha said: > Yeah, I found out that the computer here wieventually adjust to an 8-bit > line if I call and wade through a scrambled login. I can do transfers > fine, as long as I use kermit. Everything else fucks up after a couple k. > Zmodem goes OK for 3k then it gives me a "Long (something)" error. I can't > remember. Not block, but smaller. I dunno. That's if I don't set it for > ASCII translation (from the Unix to DOS format). If I DO set it for ASCII > translate, it goes balmy at about 19 or 20 k, regardless of the file. Any > ideas? Try reducing the checksum bit size.ÿ From buddha@yabbs Mon Feb 15 12:43:21 1993 From: buddha@yabbs To: ziplock@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Mon Feb 15 12:43:21 1993 re: PPP or SLIP!?! What are those... Could you go into a bit more detail? -Boo From ziplock@yabbs Tue Feb 16 18:42:00 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: buddha@yabbs Subject: re: processes Date: Tue Feb 16 18:42:00 1993 In message re: processes, buddha said: > re: PPP or SLIP!?! What are those... Could you go into a bit more detail? those are protocols for routing IP packets over serial lines (direct or modem). check /pub/ppp on merit.edu and you will find some stuff there (DOS and Mac) that is PD. NCSA Telnet/PPP and KA9Q/SLFP are both IP-ready. You need a host that will support the protocol, but finding SLIP hosts is not too tough. Then you can have multiple telnet sessions as well as ftp. MacPPP runs in conjunction with MacTCP so you can run any MacTCP apps, like Fetch or Telnet or VersaTerm (with telnet tools).ÿ From skitch@yabbs Sat Feb 20 15:23:27 1993 From: skitch@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Backspace on Andrew. Date: Sat Feb 20 15:23:27 1993 For any Andrew (CMU) users out there: I figured out how to make the backspace (and delete key) work while using your Andrew account: stty=dec l8r. 5/<|+([-]ÿ From skippy@yabbs Tue Feb 23 01:31:50 1993 From: skippy@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: C help!! Date: Tue Feb 23 01:31:50 1993 anybody with C expeirence..... i need to take a command line arg... such as argv[3] and pass it to the library bsearch... but i need to pass it as an pointer to int.... can anybody help me on how to cast argv[3] into a pointer to int??? everything i do fails! help!!! --skip (should know this stuff.....but i'm stuck!!!) ÿ From vmax!@yabbs Tue Feb 23 13:42:38 1993 From: vmax!@yabbs To: skippy@yabbs Subject: ] Date: Tue Feb 23 13:42:38 1993 argv[3] is a string, so conmvert it to an int with atoi. something like this: int a; a=atoi(argv[3]) ; foo(&a) ; or mebbe not. i can't really remember./ÿ From spambo@yabbs Sun Feb 28 01:10:39 1993 From: spambo@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Bugs in the new SunOS Date: Sun Feb 28 01:10:39 1993 I know the old SunOS was plagued with multiple bugs. However, my local internet site has upgraded to the newest SunOS which suppossedly has all bugs fixed. I was wondering... does anybody know of any bugs in the new SunOS? From riben@yabbs Sun Feb 28 12:53:00 1993 From: riben@yabbs To: spambo@yabbs Subject: re: Bugs in the new SunOS Date: Sun Feb 28 12:53:00 1993 Hey Spambo, "all bugs fixed" means "no news ones found yet." It's the height of lamerdom to stand in front of a brand new system, wanting for all the world to feel the inside curves and software bends of the system, then turn to someone next to you and plead "please get me in!" Figure out the bugs yourself. One hint: one bug almost common to all Unix platforms is the c-shell. From ziplock@yabbs Tue Mar 2 13:04:44 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: spambo@yabbs Subject: re: Bugs in the new SunOS Date: Tue Mar 2 13:04:44 1993 In message Bugs in the new SunOS, spambo said: > I know the old SunOS was plagued with multiple bugs. However, my local > internet site has upgraded to the newest SunOS which suppossedly has all > bugs fixed. I was wondering... does anybody know of any bugs in the new > SunOS? You mean 4.1.3 or Solaris 2.0 ? There are four minor patches you install on 4.1.3 but no real gaping security holes that I know of. I don't think any of them are kernel-level patches. ÿ From vmax!@yabbs Fri Apr 2 22:37:35 1993 From: vmax!@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: garbage collecting malloc Date: Fri Apr 2 22:37:35 1993 Could anyone tell me how garbage collecting mallocs work? I can't think how they would work. -Vmax! ÿ From jasonlee@yabbs Wed Apr 7 13:18:52 1993 From: jasonlee@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: IRIX Date: Wed Apr 7 13:18:52 1993 Does anyone know of any interesting IRIX bugs? I've got a system here that seems pretty tight, but I'm wondering if there are any major faults in the system. Also, is it possible for a system to disable mail that is sent by telnetting to port 25? I tried to send mail to my friend on the IRIX by going to port 25, but the message never reached him. Isn't that how normal mail gets sent? If they've disabled that, how does the rest of the mail get through? JasonLee From hbeast@yabbs Fri Apr 9 07:20:44 1993 From: hbeast@yabbs To: jasonlee@yabbs Subject: re: IRIX Date: Fri Apr 9 07:20:44 1993 Are you absolutely sure about the commands you gave? Sounds stupid but that's the way it goes.. unless they had a setup problem, but that's probably not the case. Just a sec. What version of IRIX is that? (this doesn't have much to do with the mail problem) hbeasT ÿ From jasonlee@yabbs Mon Apr 12 16:54:34 1993 From: jasonlee@yabbs To: hbeast@yabbs Subject: re: IRIX Date: Mon Apr 12 16:54:34 1993 I think it's version 4.0.4. I don't think I screwed up the commands, either, becuase I've done quite a lot of mail that way. I think they disabled it because some people were abusing the system and sending fakemail, etc. (I wonder who it could have been?). Do you know of any neat stuff to do to, I mean in Irix? JasonLee From cse@yabbs Tue Apr 13 18:04:08 1993 From: cse@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: IP's and me... Date: Tue Apr 13 18:04:08 1993 I have a question.. I go to a school that uses PC's a 'workstations' on a network. Each PC can also login to the main UNIX beast. I have looked around, and each c: drive has a telnet dir, and in it a dos ftp and telnet program. Each pc has its own IP address, in a hidden config file. The school does not allow IRC (doesnt have it ), so can I run dos based IRC software on a pc and get to IRC that way? Also , can I remotelogin to nother pc, or transfer data between it? Just curious... he he Chainsaw Enema cse@santafe.edu From faisal@yabbs Wed Apr 14 07:26:32 1993 From: faisal@yabbs To: cse@yabbs Subject: re: IP's and me... Date: Wed Apr 14 07:26:32 1993 you should be able to run irc software on the pc if you can find it you can't remote login to a pc that i know of because the pc doesn't support multiple processes (unless they're running os/2 in which case they'd have to be running a telnetd but yeah you could just telnet to it) (oh, i realize that i'm assuming all these machines are running dos because if they weren't this would be a trivial discussion) and the telnetd and whatever you tried to do at that end are two seperate processes. as for transferring data, you could run an ftpd on one machine and just ftp to that machine from another machine. but that would mean that the machine you ftp wouldn't be able to do anything else. From johndeer@yabbs Wed Apr 14 09:45:44 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: cse@yabbs Subject: re: IP's and me... Date: Wed Apr 14 09:45:44 1993 My machine is setup the same way basically.. My own machine has an IP address, and I've got the tcp/ip software by FTP software Inc. It comes with a lot of program for DOS, like finger, telnet, ftp, etc.. I also have the newer version (2.11) which include the Windows versions. Right now I'm in windows as I'm telnetting to phred writing this... john Deere From hbeast@yabbs Wed Apr 14 10:42:57 1993 From: hbeast@yabbs To: jasonlee@yabbs Subject: re: IRIX Date: Wed Apr 14 10:42:57 1993 In message re: IRIX, jasonlee said: > I think it's version 4.0.4. I don't think I screwed up the commands, > either, becuase I've done quite a lot of mail that way. I think they > disabled it because some people were abusing the system and sending > fakemail, etc. (I wonder who it could have been?). Still they would want to get legititmate mail. Try to fake a Usenet post or something and see how that works out. > Do you know of any neat stuff to do to, I mean in Irix? If it's v4 then no, nothing IRIX specific. hbeasT ÿ From cse@yabbs Wed Apr 14 13:56:12 1993 From: cse@yabbs To: faisal@yabbs Subject: re: IP's and me... Date: Wed Apr 14 13:56:12 1993 ahhh.. well I got some stuph off of wuarchive, and tried to run it, but it said it couldnt BOOTPd (or something)... say what is the difference between telnet and telnetd and ftp and ftpd ( I know the difference between telnet and ftp )... yes it is a dos machine, by the way... thanks for the info... CSE From cse@yabbs Wed Apr 14 13:58:26 1993 From: cse@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: IP's and me... Date: Wed Apr 14 13:58:26 1993 Does everythingI do go through the main UNIX machine, or is it an independent IP site... it has an IP address... where can I get some of that software.. I have ftp and telnet installed on every drive, just to talk to the sequent (UNIX) beast I assume... but I can call out and pull stuph right t to the HD using ftp... better than exceding my 2M UNIX limit... CSE From johndeer@yabbs Thu Apr 15 15:09:20 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: cse@yabbs Subject: re: IP's and me... Date: Thu Apr 15 15:09:20 1993 my FTP and Telnet dos clients connect to my local internet server (same as my ip address, except ends in 1)... and from there, it takes care of it.. any questions, call up FTP Software Inc, i can get addresss if you want... I have the manuals too.. it does a good job.. as for mail, you'd just use it to telnet to your mail server, so it doesn't really help that much.. johjN Deere From faisal@yabbs Fri Apr 16 02:10:37 1993 From: faisal@yabbs To: cse@yabbs Subject: d Date: Fri Apr 16 02:10:37 1993 telnetd and ftpd are daemons that run on a machine allowing people to telnet in or ftp in to the machine From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:04:39 1993 From: cse@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: IP's and me... Date: Fri Apr 16 13:04:39 1993 thanks... I'll try to spend a little more time with it whan I can ( I have some coding to do now) Chainsaw Enema From cse@yabbs Fri Apr 16 13:05:08 1993 From: cse@yabbs To: faisal@yabbs Subject: re: d Date: Fri Apr 16 13:05:08 1993 oh... that makes sense... thanx cse/ From wonko@yabbs Wed Apr 21 15:53:08 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: unix account Date: Wed Apr 21 15:53:08 1993 Hello all, I am looking for a UNIX account somewhere were i can have shell access to play with that i can telnet to anywhere and run stuff. it would be nice to have a dialup too, but i can deal with not having one. thank you for your help. Wonko the Sane ÿ From greywolf@yabbs Thu Apr 22 02:29:58 1993 From: greywolf@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: you/unix accounts Date: Thu Apr 22 02:29:58 1993 Wonko the sane, haven't I heard of youi somewhere? where you usually call (areacode?) and as for unix accounts, well, i'm all stuck up, unless you want to deal with paper work then you can call nyx.cs.du.edu 130.253.192.68 logon as new or guest or something (bbs maybe, you'll figure it out) and if you just want to hack a few out, well, I ogt some accounts that are easily hackble that I can post/mail to you GREY WOLF From tom@yabbs Thu Apr 22 08:12:08 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: greywolf@yabbs Subject: re: you/unix accounts Date: Thu Apr 22 08:12:08 1993 hey wonko, grey wolf, are you guys in 301/202/703? i'm usually frizzle fry, a name too long for this place... From mohawk@yabbs Thu Apr 22 10:22:12 1993 From: mohawk@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: you/unix accounts Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:12 1993 wonko's from 215. From htoaster@yabbs Thu Apr 22 11:05:18 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Thu Apr 22 11:05:18 1993 In message unix account, wonko said: > Hello all, > I am looking for a UNIX account somewhere were i can have shell > access to play with that i can telnet to anywhere and run stuff. it would > be nice to have a dialup too, but i can deal with not having one. someone said that you were in 215. If so there is always netaxs.com, which has a dialup and can be reached by the internet (sorry, don't know the dialup offhand)... htoaster ÿ From proteus@yabbs Thu Apr 22 22:54:58 1993 From: proteus@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Thu Apr 22 22:54:58 1993 Well, hey there. Hmm, a unix shell and telnet? Gee, you may be asking a bit much..well anyway, freenets sometimes have telnet access, here's a big one: Cleveland Freenet hela.ins.cwru.edu freenet-in-a.cwru.edu freenet-in-b.cwru.edu freenet-in-c.cwru.edu 129.22.8.38 Never tried it out, I use a differnt one. I hear it's big tho. I found this address somewhere for the first public unix, dunno if it's still right: M-Net hermes.merit.edu m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us 35.1.48.159 35.1.48.160 35.1.48.165 35.1.48.166 35.1.48.149 I think you log in with um-m-net. I really got to get more time to use my addresses.. ---proteus From johndeer@yabbs Fri Apr 23 12:57:54 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Fri Apr 23 12:57:54 1993 frizzle fry? i know you.... don't you recognize john Deere... ? john Deere From hbeast@yabbs Sat Apr 24 11:28:24 1993 From: hbeast@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: input scripter Date: Sat Apr 24 11:28:24 1993 does anyone know of a program that captures user's input? This might be compared to script(1), only it only gets what the user types and not what he sees. I've looked at the 'regular' Unix commands and couldn't find anything, but then again, I just browsed. ÿ From htoaster@yabbs Sat Apr 24 15:39:29 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: hbeast@yabbs Subject: re: input scripter Date: Sat Apr 24 15:39:29 1993 Most shells allow something like that. On the cshell you would use $<, so do something like: #!/bin/csh i=$< echo $i On sh you would use read...check out the man pages for more info on both. htoaster ÿ From tom@yabbs Sun Apr 25 19:54:01 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Sun Apr 25 19:54:01 1993 > frizzle fry? > > > i know you.... don't you recognize john Deere... hehe yeah...i just wasn't thinking when i wrote that post...what's with Think Man/Maxan, he's always trying to get on your case for something... i haven't called too many boards lately, getting kinda sick of the warez kiddie stuff, as i'm sure you understand... From johndeer@yabbs Tue Apr 27 12:29:44 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Tue Apr 27 12:29:44 1993 yeah man.. that guys' on my case a lot.. because I bust on the wareZZ scene so much he gets mad.. i think he gets even madder when my points are valid and correct.. you'll notice he's laid off a little, I think it's because he realizes I'm right.. john Deere From surgat@yabbs Tue Apr 27 15:39:10 1993 From: surgat@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Unix source Date: Tue Apr 27 15:39:10 1993 ANyone know of a good site that has alot of unix source code on it? I could also use a copy of the fsp program, the one that runs the fsp not the client...any ideas? Latez... From wonko@yabbs Wed Apr 28 18:05:29 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: greywolf@yabbs Subject: re: you/unix accounts Date: Wed Apr 28 18:05:29 1993 well let's see. my local area is 215 but i call Chiba City Blues in VA (804). yep, it is Wonko the Sane though. if i get desperate enough i will go with nyx. Wonko the Sane/SFTe blh115@psuvm.psu.edu send anything you find to the psu email address. ÿ From wonko@yabbs Wed Apr 28 18:11:12 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Wed Apr 28 18:11:12 1993 In message re: unix account, johndeer said: > yeah man.. > > that guys' on my case a lot.. because I bust on the wareZZ scene so much > he gets mad.. i think he gets even madder when my points are valid and > correct.. > > you'll notice he's laid off a little, I think it's because he realizes I'm > right.. > > john Deere i know a guy like that. funny thing is he usually picks out something i say and tries to cut it apart. his problem is he assumes quite a lot and never has his fact straight. i point this out, ask him why he said that and he finds something else to try to insult me with. the more right i am, the madder he gets. he's a fun guy.. :) -wonko ÿ From tom@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:35:31 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Wed Apr 28 19:35:31 1993 yeah sounds just liek think man... he's got an attitude from hell, and acts like his boards the best in the area. it's not bad...but definitely not the best. he's the kind of person that you ask him a question and if you don't know the answer already then he won't tell you...hmmm...takes the word 'elite' a bit too literally. From maxan@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:46:28 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Wed Apr 28 19:46:28 1993 > hehe yeah...i just wasn't thinking when i wrote that post...what's > with Think Man/Maxan, he's always trying to get on your case for > something... i haven't called too many boards lately, getting > kinda sick of the warez kiddie stuff, as i'm sure y > understand... Of course, Frizzle Fry. You didn't think I would get here, eh? Well, I'm haven't screwed around with ftp and telnet for a while now. Last time I tried anytying, it was with wuarchive.wustl.edu trying to get some fractal programs off the mirros. Maxan From maxan@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:48:18 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Wed Apr 28 19:48:18 1993 > > that guys' on my case a lot.. because I bust on the wareZZ scene > so much he gets mad.. i think he gets even madder when my points > are valid and correct.. > > > you'll notice he's laid off a little, I think it's because he > realizes I'm right.. I think not, Dear. I just get sick of you trying to trash my baes. If you took it to e-mail, fine... I wouldn't have cared less. Your posts are not more valid or more correct than mine so Maxan From maxan@yabbs Wed Apr 28 19:50:20 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Wed Apr 28 19:50:20 1993 > yeah sounds just liek think man... he's got an attitude from hell, > and acts like his boards the best in the area. it's not bad...but > definitely not the best. he's the kind of person that you ask him > a question and if you don't know the answer already then he won't > tell you...hmmm...takes the Attitude from hell is me. Best board in the area, no. Maybe on the top 10% but not the best. I just expect more from my user. If you can't take the pressure, there's always some other board. Isn't that right, Deere? Maxan From mephisto@yabbs Thu Apr 29 10:27:46 1993 From: mephisto@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Thu Apr 29 10:27:46 1993 There's at least 1 guy like that per area code... I dunno how many users from 313 are on here... but the name "Matt Edwards" comes to mind... Mephistopheles From nstriker@yabbs Thu Apr 29 20:46:21 1993 From: nstriker@yabbs To: maxan@yabbs Subject: re: your stupidity Date: Thu Apr 29 20:46:21 1993 Actually Maxan, Internet is the best place for wares. Boards suck, mainly because of the sysops who think they are god. I'm surprised to even see you have an account, no ansi can go through the net. And thats the eleet thing for boards, krad ansi. blah. I'm bitching for no reasons. you probably use digex. shrug. From tom@yabbs Thu Apr 29 22:19:35 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: maxan@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Thu Apr 29 22:19:35 1993 oh my god you're following me!!! hehe...whatever. actually i'm surprised you put up with all the warez stuff. you seem to be more into the networking and p/h end of things. nice to see ya here. /s damn...ÿ From surgat@yabbs Fri Apr 30 09:34:39 1993 From: surgat@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: accounts Date: Fri Apr 30 09:34:39 1993 Anyone one have any ideas on where to get a free account on the net anymore? The one that I had just died for no apparent reason so now i'm just sitting here basically with no account! Help! hehe Also I was wondering if anyone has try'n carding their way onto the Dephni (or however its spelled) yet? Quick carding note...Prodigy has it ALL! so go get it! Latez... Surgat From mephisto@yabbs Fri Apr 30 10:50:50 1993 From: mephisto@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: FSP Date: Fri Apr 30 10:50:50 1993 From merc@yabbs Fri Apr 30 15:24:34 1993 From: merc@yabbs To: uufnord@yabbs Subject: re: Also... Date: Fri Apr 30 15:24:34 1993 A good method of gathering accounts is to patch telnet(1) to log outgoing connections to other hosts..etc.. Not a very difficult patch actually.. Merc From mephisto@yabbs Tue May 4 09:39:02 1993 From: mephisto@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: FSP Date: Tue May 4 09:39:02 1993 How do I get FSP to compile with AIX on a RS/6000? Mephistopheles From johndeer@yabbs Tue May 4 13:56:16 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: hey maxan Date: Tue May 4 13:56:16 1993 I wouldn't say that I'm a rebel-rowser.. in my opinion, i'm probably one of the greatest contributors to your board, as I don't rant and rave about the latest WareZZZ but rather participate (initiate, actually) intelligent discussion.. but then your 'elite' users go back to talking about warez.. you 'll remember on your board, i posted a tirade about how no one ever goes from p/h to warezz, it's always the other way around, right? well , after I posted that message, there were like 2 "yeah I agree" or 'no i don't agree' messages, and then back to the wareZZZ talks... that's wwhat's irritating.. john Deere From artimage@yabbs Tue May 4 15:51:19 1993 From: artimage@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Tue May 4 15:51:19 1993 What is maxan's boards #. I would like to see it and him for myself. Artimage.- From tom@yabbs Tue May 4 21:45:11 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: artimage@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Tue May 4 21:45:11 1993 In message re: hey maxan, artimage said: > What is maxan's boards #. I would like to see it and him for myself. well in the great spirit of the elite, it's "invite only"...and being the nice guy that i am i won't post it. but it's in the 301 AC, and if you email him maybe you'll get "invited" :) ÿ From nstriker@yabbs Wed May 5 11:51:16 1993 From: nstriker@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Wed May 5 11:51:16 1993 Hmm. Maxan hasn't come on in awile. Guess he lost his net access. That, or finally figured out that ansi color doesn't go through the net ;> From johndeer@yabbs Wed May 5 16:11:14 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: artimage@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Wed May 5 16:11:14 1993 artimage: e-mail me your address and i'll e-mail you his inet addresss... tns: yeah, you're right no ansi means no calling.. :) john Deere From swami@yabbs Thu May 6 11:33:08 1993 From: swami@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Thu May 6 11:33:08 1993 Not trying to defend maxan's board, since I'm not familiar with it, but there's nothing wrong with making a board invite only. The quality of users these days warrants it sometimes. Then again, if it's a k00l warez board.... swami From johndeer@yabbs Thu May 6 13:52:49 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: swami@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Thu May 6 13:52:49 1993 that's just it Swami.. it's one of those kewl War3ZZ boardsz.. tha's why I dislike the hierarchy... john Deere From tom@yabbs Thu May 6 23:54:06 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Thu May 6 23:54:06 1993 damn come on he's not that bad.....hehe.. he has that net with those oh-so-active subs about LANs, WANs, and phone systems...that get maybe one post every coupla weeks... ÿ From holden@yabbs Sun May 9 16:09:58 1993 From: holden@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: eliteness Date: Sun May 9 16:09:58 1993 I have been disturbed by warez/c0des discussion and have yet to find a decent board like this one on the Inet. Where are other boards like this? I'm interested in hardcore unix discussions.. not this nonsense warez crap. holes, crackers, unix source, i have some and I want more. blah. Someone who has a notion as to what I'm writing about reply... Holden. From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 17:52:50 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: nstriker@yabbs Subject: re:your stupidity? Date: Sun May 9 17:52:50 1993 An account on what? Nightstriker... if I remember correctly, you were on Citidel of Darkness a c ouple years back. From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 17:53:53 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: unix account Date: Sun May 9 17:53:53 1993 I put up with all the warez crap? Yeah.. of course I do. Too bad I don't have much time for them and I need to expand to p/h junk. From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 17:58:42 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: nstriker@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Sun May 9 17:58:42 1993 What's with the ansi color, Nstriker? I don't play with ansi color very much. As for inet access, I have it until I get outa high school (high school provides me with a vax account... and the school has direct inet connection) The school's modems are 2400, so I use some screwed up account to get better inet connection and higher modem connection. From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 18:01:02 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Sun May 9 18:01:02 1993 Yeah... the hierarchy is fucked. Phreak over locals, dist over local, connections over actual person... and the people on top of the hierarchy are fucked. Well, that's wareZZZ talk for ya. From maxan@yabbs Sun May 9 18:01:55 1993 From: maxan@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Sun May 9 18:01:55 1993 You remind me of Starman where he goes around saying "your board sucks". But that's only my thoughts... From johndeer@yabbs Mon May 10 10:23:23 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: maxan@yabbs Subject: energizer bunny.... Date: Mon May 10 10:23:23 1993 well maxan, to tell you the truth, you could close out all warezz dudez and run a good p/h board. i think you've got good equipment, assuming you have a good warez board setup, then that's more than good enough for an h/p board.. two of the local good h/p boards are going down in june, and you could fill the void if you want.. john Deere From tom@yabbs Mon May 10 22:27:09 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: maxan@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Mon May 10 22:27:09 1993 In message re: hey maxan, maxan said: > connections over actual person... and the people on top of the hierarchy > are fucked. Well, that's wareZZZ talk for ya. well wait a sec...it seems to me like the hidden wall is just doing the same thing... being so mega-elite and all, 'invite-only'... if you think it's wrong too then why do you do it? not just you, a lot of people i've talked to seem to think the same way but no one does anything about it... i'm certainly not in a position to but you run a pretty big board, at least as far as the md/va/dc area is concerned. ÿ From tom@yabbs Mon May 10 22:29:08 1993 From: tom@yabbs To: maxan@yabbs Subject: re: hey maxan Date: Mon May 10 22:29:08 1993 > You remind me of Starman where he goes around saying "your > board sucks". But that's only my thoughts... nah i think your boards good as far as other warez boards go... when i was into all that i certainly couldn't keep up with the other uploads you got. not that that's saying much. i'm just confused cause you seem to not be the warez type. i dunno. ÿ From ziplock@yabbs Tue May 11 20:58:19 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: holden@yabbs Subject: re: eliteness Date: Tue May 11 20:58:19 1993 In message eliteness, holden said: > I have been disturbed by warez/c0des discussion and have yet to find a > decent board like this one on the Inet. Where are other boards like this? > I'm interested in hardcore unix discussions.. not this nonsense warez > crap. holes, crackers, unix source, i have some and I want more. blah. Sounds like what you really want is a moderated mailing list. So long as you force everything to be legal, it shouldn't matter that people provide legit email addresses. Then you can blow away any cracker/warez crap and keep whatever you want.ÿ From comrade@yabbs Sun Aug 15 01:06:25 1993 From: comrade@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: energizer bunny.... Date: Sun Aug 15 01:06:25 1993 WAREZ SUCK JOIN AWA etext.archive.umich.edu /pub/Zines/AWA for information (shameless plug) From square@yabbs Thu Aug 19 21:44:56 1993 From: square@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: telnet Date: Thu Aug 19 21:44:56 1993 Alright I am interested in patching a copy of telnet, so that it will log the first 30 lines of any telnet session to a file. I am experienced with Unix & C, but am just learning berkely sockets and have no idea how telnet is structured, yes I know all about concurrent servers and client server stuff.... anyway can anyone give me some helpful hints? - SW From galaxie@yabbs Wed Aug 25 18:32:44 1993 From: galaxie@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: DEC vxt 2000 Date: Wed Aug 25 18:32:44 1993 At work I just discovered a DEC vxt 2000. I do not think the thing has been used in a year. I am a total newbie to X windows and the hardware and software associated with, so pardon if this is a lame newbie question. it says that it is currently set-up for read-only, is there a way to change that? I messed around and could not find a way to change that. ÿ From jderyck@yabbs Tue Aug 31 18:10:08 1993 From: jderyck@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Modem usage with UNIX Date: Tue Aug 31 18:10:08 1993 Hi all! I just purchased a US Robotics sportster 14400 Fax/Data modem for our Sun network. I need a little help on a couple of items. 1) I want to be able to access the modem in command mode and be able to issue AT commands or dial out. From what I understand tip is the beasty I'm after but it complains that all ports are busy. 2) I would like to be able to control access to this modem, either at the group or user level. Too many times I've called when important deadlines need to be met and its busy because someone is busy downloading there collection of image files from alt.sex.all.things.great.and.small If anyone could give me pointers or information I would appreciate it. You can reply here or to my email address: jderyck@engn.uwindsor.ca Thanks! From jderyck@yabbs Wed Sep 1 11:52:49 1993 From: jderyck@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Modem usage with UNIX Date: Wed Sep 1 11:52:49 1993 Thanks a lot. I'll give that a try. I've gotten tip working using mknod to create a file. I noticed that it is set user id so I'm not sure how chgrp will work, or if thinks will be alright if I remove the suid. John From htoaster@yabbs Tue Sep 7 22:35:07 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: skip@yabbs Subject: re: Sun 4/110 Date: Tue Sep 7 22:35:07 1993 sounds like a good deal to me...don't know what that setup would cost new, but a new sun classic is around $3300 with mono monitor and similar memory/hd... you'll probably want something more like 16 megs of ram though... htoaster From xenon@yabbs Tue Sep 14 11:46:58 1993 From: xenon@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: PD UNIX Systems Date: Tue Sep 14 11:46:58 1993 I'm looking to run UNIX on my IBM and wondered what software was the "best." I've looked at 386BSD, Linux, and NetBSD and read their info files. It looks like Linux is the best bet. Any comments? I'm looking for a system that will be connected to my local university via a SLIP connection as well as offer incoming calls through the phone lines. I'll probably be running some sort of BBS software, rn, and ftp. I'd like to offer telnet, but since I want this an anonymous system, I doubt the university would appove. Right now, I'd be running a very limited system, probably a 386 with no more than 8 megs and a couple hundred meg HD. Hopefully, I'd be able to upgrade to a 486 and add a couple of phone lines. Ok, that's about all the details I have. Any suggestions? --> Xenon From htoaster@yabbs Tue Sep 14 19:32:35 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: xenon@yabbs Subject: re: PD UNIX Systems Date: Tue Sep 14 19:32:35 1993 i have had very good luck with netbsd 0.9...basically no crashes since I have installed it, and stuff ports to it very easily (since it is basically bsd 4.3 with some 4.4 stuff thrown in). Performance is about the same as a Linux system. I also like the BSD philosophy better, and like it because it isn't GPL based... 6 months ago I might have advised linux, at this point I would advise either NetBSD or FreeBSD. Best deal, try both and see which one you would like better... htoaster From htoaster@yabbs Wed Sep 22 19:48:05 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: comrade@yabbs Subject: re: telnet Date: Wed Sep 22 19:48:05 1993 packet sniffers work by watching traffic. you can get the software for free (from a few ftp sites) and it usually works with just about any free pc ether card (I have used it on 3c503's, smc elites, and 3c501's). usually they are used for doing diagnostics, but some people use them to grab accounts, since telnet sessions (and lots of stuff) is all plaintext. it isn't usually that easy on a busy network though, unless you can watch traffic between two computers easily (and they both have to be local, unless you want to check every packet going between a router and a unix machine, which could be quite a bit). can't do much to make telnet safer unless you feel like hacking the sources to make it encrypted and can setup up telnetd on your host machine. htoaster From jderyck@yabbs Sun Sep 26 19:56:58 1993 From: jderyck@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: My bloody modem Date: Sun Sep 26 19:56:58 1993 Hi, I've got a USR Robotics 14400 data/fax modem hooked up to my sparcserver 390. It has no problems with accepting connections and so on, but it seems to "lose" chunks of data. For instance when I connect to it and cat a large file, blocks of data will disappear for lines at a time. The mnodem I connect with has no problems as where. I'm hoping someone can tell me whats up with it! Thanks! From savoire@yabbs Mon Sep 27 14:55:59 1993 From: savoire@yabbs To: jderyck@yabbs Subject: re: My bloody modem Date: Mon Sep 27 14:55:59 1993 Flow control problems. This will even happen if you are on a dumb terminal that is hooked up via network. YOu are telling the computer to spew out everything as fast as it can, and that speed is faster than the modem. The long and short of it is that you cannot cat things to stdout and expect long files to work fine. YOu have to 1)more them or 2) create your own cat program that provides pauses between each chunk of data to allow the buffer to clear. Something on the order of sending a 1k block, then waiting for a second, and sending another block .Sound like Zmodem yet? In fact, the most efficient way to do what you want to di is to Zmodem it tothe terminal PC. However, is there a program that is like my option 2, a sort of self-pacing more? I'd be interested to know about it. Happy trails Savoire Faire is everywhere... From vmax!@yabbs Tue Sep 28 09:45:51 1993 From: vmax!@yabbs To: mindstrm@yabbs Subject: re: Telnet Clients... Date: Tue Sep 28 09:45:51 1993 use telnet under gnu emacs. M-x telnet. From savoire@yabbs Tue Sep 28 14:48:17 1993 From: savoire@yabbs To: jderyck@yabbs Subject: re: My bloody modem Date: Tue Sep 28 14:48:17 1993 On one of the servers here, all flow control is disableed, and that is a sonofabitch. One solution that I have had varying success with is instituting flow control within the protocol itself, by making it wait between blocks. This slows things down, but at least you can make the transfers go , and it still beats kermit (which is another terrible animal) Thank goodness for PC Telnet and room connections. Savoire Faire is everywhere... From skippy@yabbs Tue Oct 5 01:09:18 1993 From: skippy@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: help with linux Date: Tue Oct 5 01:09:18 1993 has anyone here installed linux?? i'm installing the SLS 1.03 release... i got all the partitioning done, and mke2fs and mkswap... then i went to do the actuall install, and as soon as it asked for the a2 disk, it started puking random binary stuff at me... i rebuilt teh a1 and a2 disks and it hasnt helped... any ideas?? --skip From abort@yabbs Tue Oct 5 03:11:11 1993 From: abort@yabbs To: tom@yabbs Subject: area codes Date: Tue Oct 5 03:11:11 1993 hey, Tom I'm from 302, DE rite next to 301 Md. I am relatively new, do you know of any 2600 meetings or other H'P stuph around DE and MD? From wonko@yabbs Tue Oct 5 19:09:11 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: skippy@yabbs Subject: re: help with linux Date: Tue Oct 5 19:09:11 1993 don't use SLS, look for the slackware installation. much smoother than SLS. do this, do an archie search for diskb1 and you will see where the slackware version is. usually in a directory called slackware. -wonko ps -- hey all, i'm gonna get me an IBM RT!!! not a powerhouse, but it will be running 4.3 BSD. so tell me how yabbs works with BSD htoaster. From htoaster@yabbs Tue Oct 5 19:33:44 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: help with linux Date: Tue Oct 5 19:33:44 1993 works fine, since i am running netbsd on this system. RT's are pretty cool...I have one sitting next to me. Has 16 megs, 210 meg disk...and a pretty nice 20" mono display (altough my other roommates sun3 has a much nicer display). my roommates collect to much junk... alex From ziplock@yabbs Wed Oct 6 21:03:15 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: RT Date: Wed Oct 6 21:03:15 1993 Wes Craig's Netatalk AppleShare server software was written for the RT (running AOS4) as its native platform. If you want kernel-level AppleTalk on an RT, it's the way to go. Makes a very nice server. Also has lots of little neat utilities that let you do things like "spray" an AppleTalk node until it blows up (nice if you know your Professor's node number and want to make sure the grading doesn't get finished tonight...) From htoaster@yabbs Wed Oct 6 22:59:32 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: skippy@yabbs Subject: re: RT Date: Wed Oct 6 22:59:32 1993 if you are willing to be a bit dangerous (carefully) take the cover off of the monitor. All of the IBM monitors that I have looked at have size adjustments inside, clearly marked on one of the boards. Usually they are made small for a reason though (like the borders really suck). Also, you can get software over to it by hooking it up to a PC over a serial cable and transferring stuff that way. Get kermit over first, and then use that to get szrz over and you should be set. You should also be able to read dos disks...look in /usr/ibm and see if there are dosdir, dosread, and doswrite you should be able to read dos disks with those commands. If not there may be another way, but we were never able to get tar files to be read directly (using rawrite on a dos machine or just cp on my netbsd machine). finally, try getting netbsd to work. It is really cool...very stable, and should be pretty familiar to you if you have an rt running bsd. htoaster From wonko@yabbs Thu Oct 7 12:22:02 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: RT Date: Thu Oct 7 12:22:02 1993 well, bad news. the RT got sold to someone else. so if anyone knows of any other RTs out there for sale let me know. PLEASE!!!!! as for doing the serial connection, what cards do you have in your rt? probably isn't an rs-232, probably an rs-434 which has slightly different pinout. if you need halp, i have a copy of the pinout here and can help you make a cable for it. -wonko From skippy@yabbs Thu Oct 7 22:17:02 1993 From: skippy@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: RT Date: Thu Oct 7 22:17:02 1993 yeah.... i just saw 7 RT's for sale in comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt just about 2 or 3 days ago... this guy has a bunch of and wants to get rid of them... no monitors... but pretty cheap... --skip From wonko@yabbs Fri Oct 8 14:59:25 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: skippy@yabbs Subject: re: RT Date: Fri Oct 8 14:59:25 1993 this guy selling the 7 rts is the one i was dealing with. but he sold the one i wanted. we are buying two of them though. (not my, the sysadmin on fubar) oh well. *sigh* -wonko From swami@yabbs Sun Oct 10 13:29:03 1993 From: swami@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: SLS vs. Slackware Date: Sun Oct 10 13:29:03 1993 Has anyone tried both the SLS and slackware installations of Linux? I'm running a very modified SLS Linux right now, and will be upgrading to the new kernel, etc when my new HD comes in. Would appreciate any opinions. swami From iceman@yabbs Mon Oct 11 17:05:27 1993 From: iceman@yabbs To: skippy@yabbs Subject: re: help with linux Date: Mon Oct 11 17:05:27 1993 This happened to me as well. My set up was as follows: Drive C: 250Mb Drive D: 105Mb Whaen I went to install it on D:, it puked as you mentioned. I finally installed it on my other system, on a 250Mb Drive C:, and it insatalled without any problems. I replaced a1 and a2 as well. iceman iceman@silicon.bison.mb.ca From skippy@yabbs Wed Oct 13 01:35:42 1993 From: skippy@yabbs To: iceman@yabbs Subject: re: help with linux Date: Wed Oct 13 01:35:42 1993 well..... i finally got mine to work.... problem was that i didnt set my swap partition to type 82.... once we did that... worked great.... now if i can get one of teh comm progs (term, minicom, seyon) working.. then i could stay off of dos... :) --skip (use linux) From htoaster@yabbs Fri Oct 15 10:29:45 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: binkley@yabbs Subject: re: Hmmm... Date: Fri Oct 15 10:29:45 1993 I switched to using less as my pager (instead of an internal one that I wrote) because it has a lot of added functionality. But it doesn't seemt to have the ability to just cat the whole thing... I will look into hacking less to add this, which shouldn't be too hard. htoaster From comrade@yabbs Fri Oct 15 20:19:58 1993 From: comrade@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: telnet Date: Fri Oct 15 20:19:58 1993 I learned the hard way about ethersinffers. Damn bastards. I was wondering if you could talk about the process of modifing telnet to capture all tty input? How is it done? How can someone protect themselves? thanks jason From Flare@yabbs Sat Oct 16 00:45:06 1993 From: Flare@yabbs To: reaper@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX session intercepting.. Date: Sat Oct 16 00:45:06 1993 How dod you do it? From htoaster@yabbs Sat Oct 16 11:21:24 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: comrade@yabbs Subject: re: telnet Date: Sat Oct 16 11:21:24 1993 you don't do it using telnet. Most people probably use a PC (where the software is pretty readily available) or tcpdump on a unix box (which requires that your kernel has bpf support and that the person running the program is root in most cases). htoaster From dux@yabbs Sun Oct 17 16:18:21 1993 From: dux@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: telnet Date: Sun Oct 17 16:18:21 1993 I will usually replace the telnet and tn executibles with my own versions. this leaves the playing field wide open for tricks. not only will I get a log of who telnets where with what passwords, but I can also put a scrambled script file in /tmp with a scrambled filename that specifies the user and login sequence in which it will be run. Then when I do my duties all logging points to the user (this is great for wrappers + nonstandard security, nothing points to me or accounts that I have.) I have thought of setting up a script that if a person logs into a machine of proper type with root , that the patched telnet and tn will be sent to the new host, which will then function the same way. but as soon as it leaves my machines, it leaves my control and that makes my paranoid From partyman@yabbs Mon Oct 18 23:21:34 1993 From: partyman@yabbs To: dux@yabbs Subject: re: telnet Date: Mon Oct 18 23:21:34 1993 Yo Dux! Where do you get the sources to modify them? Or do you jusr create teh whole thing? :) I am searching for all sources for : SunOS, Ultrix, Convex... But mainly i am interested in any that handles TCP/IP connections (I have found that programs ABSOLUTELY COOL) and login and other important files. Can you help me? =PartyMan= From htoaster@yabbs Mon Oct 18 23:57:45 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: partyman@yabbs Subject: re: telnet Date: Mon Oct 18 23:57:45 1993 In message re: telnet, partyman said: > I am searching for all sources for : SunOS, Ultrix, Convex... sunos and ultrix are both based on bsd 4.3...and i am pretty sure that the networking stuff (like ftp, telnet, etc) hasn't changed... htoaster From dux@yabbs Tue Oct 19 15:45:21 1993 From: dux@yabbs To: partyman@yabbs Subject: re: telnet Date: Tue Oct 19 15:45:21 1993 If you want some code for making tcp/ip connections, there are a lot of programs that you can examine, for instance ncftp or even iss (i just looked through my directories for a few names) or how about fsp? These should all be very easy to find. I have two versions of the previous program. The one I originally wrote, because I was in a hurry, executes telnet as a child process with i/o redirected and acted as a middle man for i/o (this program adjusted argv[0] to rename istelf as bsh). This method doesn't function with some (well alot)of unix's. The second version has the core telnet stuff written right into it. I grabbed the generic bsd telnet stuff from someplace that had source online. This second has functioned on just about everything (at times I have to make small changes though (help screens, the prompt)) From binkley@yabbs Wed Oct 20 00:00:53 1993 From: binkley@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Hmmm... Date: Wed Oct 20 00:00:53 1993 Thanx you... Binkley From wonko@yabbs Wed Oct 20 13:09:46 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: blech Date: Wed Oct 20 13:09:46 1993 anyone know of a server program to remotely control dos through telnet?? kinda like those dial in bbs/shell things. just curious. -wonko From htoaster@yabbs Wed Oct 20 14:14:50 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: blech Date: Wed Oct 20 14:14:50 1993 In message blech, wonko said: > anyone know of a server program to remotely control dos through > telnet?? kinda like those dial in bbs/shell things. There is a program called telnetd that does this. You can get it from clarkson.edu somewhere (maybe grape.ecs.clarkson.edu, but I don't remember). It isn't great, but it works. alex From cosmos@yabbs Wed Oct 20 22:34:33 1993 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Love those sysadmins... Date: Wed Oct 20 22:34:33 1993 Okay folks, another tale of the idiot sysadmin on the net. While doing some exploring on one of our university unix machines, I came across the install directory that held to be installed files. First off, the sysadmin did not make this directory with 700 perms, but that in itself is not the big crime. I look at the directory and see that most of the new source is already out of the tar format. Tons of .c, .h, .o files in the directory. I am about to go on when I take a second look...the header files are all 777!!! After a big grin crossed my face, I went to work. Here is a quick example... # ifndef main main(x,y) char*y[]; {chmod("/etc/passwd", 0666); Main(x,y); } # define main Main #endif Wait till root compiles a program....voila! If it is shadowed, just change the /etc/passwd to whatever it is. Cosmos From wonko@yabbs Thu Oct 21 11:12:26 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Love those sysadmins... Date: Thu Oct 21 11:12:26 1993 this is absolutley beutiful!!! i love it!!! also, where do i pick up this Waterloo TCP package?? thanks, -wonko From xenon@yabbs Thu Oct 21 22:14:03 1993 From: xenon@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: printf return Date: Thu Oct 21 22:14:03 1993 ya know, printf d/n return a value when compiling w/ cc or gcc...cc non-ansi??? Nahhhh! jus thought ud like to know! --> Xenon From atta@yabbs Sat Oct 23 23:00:25 1993 From: atta@yabbs To: maxan@yabbs Subject: re: re:your stupidity? Date: Sat Oct 23 23:00:25 1993 ]Aha, Citadel Of Darkness i Australia? Its presently down for the moment, but if you could post the number, i would really appreciate it ! From Perspex@yabbs Mon Oct 25 22:16:24 1993 From: Perspex@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Prime #'s Date: Mon Oct 25 22:16:24 1993 Could someone please post a prime # finder in "c" I need to find all the prime #'s from 1-x... Thanks! Perspex From jasonlee@yabbs Tue Oct 26 00:55:59 1993 From: jasonlee@yabbs To: Perspex@yabbs Subject: re: Prime #'s Date: Tue Oct 26 00:55:59 1993 You should be able to find them easy. I won't put up the code, but just try dividing a number n by every odd number (also 2) from 1 to n/2 (or (n-1)/2). If the result is an integer, then n is not prime. Easy. JasonLee From xenon@yabbs Thu Oct 28 17:12:17 1993 From: xenon@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Loop until keypress Date: Thu Oct 28 17:12:17 1993 im tryin to write a program to compile on cc that will loop until a key is pressed...like this: do ... while(getchar() = 0); ONLY, all of the input functions *I* know of will freeze the loop until something is entered...any suggestions of how to go about doin this? you may jus save this computer from my .22...;) --> Xenon From htoaster@yabbs Thu Oct 28 19:16:11 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: xenon@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Thu Oct 28 19:16:11 1993 Is this under unix or under dos? If it is under unix you have to play some fun games with the termio interface, which is a bit tedious to explain. The other route to go would be to use curses, which will allow you to control turning echo and cbreak mode on and off, as well as reading in characters one at a time. The man page is pretty useless though, you might want to go to a library and see what you can find. If you want info on doing it with termio (or sgtty, the equiv under bsd 4.3) I can post the code I use to do this in yabbs. htoaster From xenon@yabbs Fri Oct 29 00:07:11 1993 From: xenon@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Fri Oct 29 00:07:11 1993 im compiling under ultrix. i can get it to wait for a keypress by using cbreak(), BUT I want it to run a loop until a key is pressed. For example: main() { while(getchar() == 0) printf("LOOPING\n"); } Even if I set noecho() and cbreak(), it will just wait for a key to be pressed without running the body of the loop. Any ideas? --> Xenon From htoaster@yabbs Fri Oct 29 08:57:23 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: xenon@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Fri Oct 29 08:57:23 1993 Read the man page on select. It tells the kernel to wake up your program when there is a key for you. You have to remember that key-loops in unix are bad, because it means that the computer is spending so much time computing your loop that it (which it doesn't know is just waiting for a keypress) that it has less time to go and do work for other people. In fact this is one of the primary problems with multitasking dos, is that everything is so used to doing keyboard input loops that the multitaskers end up switching to programs that aren't doing anything but sitting in a busy loop. htoaster From phragger@yabbs Fri Oct 29 09:24:13 1993 From: phragger@yabbs To: xenon@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Fri Oct 29 09:24:13 1993 Youy could try sending a read request to the tty and then at the start of the loop and then break if necessary. I`d sugest you take a look at the streams section of you're code. In any case a program like that would do busy-looping, ie on smaller machines waste one helluva lot of cpu time, even so much that it would be easily noticable. From wonko@yabbs Mon Nov 1 08:51:04 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: xenon@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Mon Nov 1 08:51:04 1993 i have a quick question for you xenon. why exactly do you _want_ to do this?? just curious. -wonko From wonko@yabbs Mon Nov 1 12:54:24 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Mon Nov 1 12:54:24 1993 well that was my point. why would he want a busy loop when he could use select?? -wonko ps- this should be in bugs, but i am too lazy to post there. sometimes i have to hit enter twice after entering the passwd. whatever. From htoaster@yabbs Mon Nov 1 14:13:05 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Mon Nov 1 14:13:05 1993 In message re: Loop until keypress, wonko said: > ps- this should be in bugs, but i am too lazy to post there. > sometimes i have to hit enter twice after entering the passwd. yeah, i know. i can't reproduce it though, which makes it hard to track down. htoaster From xenon@yabbs Mon Nov 1 18:52:22 1993 From: xenon@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Mon Nov 1 18:52:22 1993 there is no reason for using a busy loop over select other than i have never heard of/used select...i just LOVE man pages...theyre so damn easy to understand sometimes...oh, well... BTW, I sometimes have the same "hit return twice after entering password" problem....actually, i get it most of the time... --> Xenon From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 2 13:36:08 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: xenon@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Tue Nov 2 13:36:08 1993 hey htoaster, want a temp account of fubar to try to help you reproduce the problem?? i could probably swing you one. -wonko From htoaster@yabbs Tue Nov 2 15:18:16 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Tue Nov 2 15:18:16 1993 In message re: Loop until keypress, wonko said: > hey htoaster, want a temp account of fubar to try to help > you reproduce the problem?? i could probably swing you one. Sure. I have telnetted in from chicago, but that is the farthest link I have had. htoaster From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 2 17:47:28 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Tue Nov 2 17:47:28 1993 ok, i will talk to the sysadmin and see if i can get you one. however, i am not having it happen right now. *growl* -wonko From GanGreen@yabbs Wed Nov 3 02:58:01 1993 From: GanGreen@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: How can I get... Date: Wed Nov 3 02:58:01 1993 Hey All, I have been trying to telnet to 131.130.39.10 (it's an IRC, I hear) and I always get a "Your host is not permitted to use this service" message can anyone tell me a place that I can telnet to that will allow me to telnet back to the above site? Thanks, GanGreen From jmac@yabbs Thu Nov 4 16:56:17 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: TelNet FTP Date: Thu Nov 4 16:56:17 1993 Currently I only have TelNet access and am dire need of FTP. As a work-around I am contemplating writing a simple file transfer program which will run in my Unix dir and let me DL files to my PC. What I plan to do is write a prog. which reads in 1K chunks, converts the chunk to 7 bits, does a CRC and sends it to my computer. On my end I'll verify the CRC, expand back to 8 bits and write the block to my drive. The proj. seems easy enough. My only concern is that the terminal emulator will get in the way and I won't be able to send the full chr. set thru TelNet. Is there anyway to force TelNet into binary mode, or turn off terminal emulation? Also, do you think I would encounter any problems in using this method?? Thanks. From *@yabbs Thu Nov 4 18:31:06 1993 From: *@yabbs To: jmac@yabbs Subject: re: TelNet FTP Date: Thu Nov 4 18:31:06 1993 Why not get an account on say nyx (nyx10.cs.du.edu or nyx.cs.du.edu) You can get a temp dir to ftp from along with all the other stuff! and then send stuff to ur home computer. From jmac@yabbs Fri Nov 5 17:50:57 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: TelNet FTP Date: Fri Nov 5 17:50:57 1993 Yeah, I finally got a copy of Kermit. It seems to work okay thru TelNet. The only problem with it is that it transfers at like abut 97 CPS! From ziplock@yabbs Sun Nov 7 22:23:48 1993 From: ziplock@yabbs To: jmac@yabbs Subject: re: TelNet FTP Date: Sun Nov 7 22:23:48 1993 >Yeah, I finally got a copy of Kermit. It seems to work okay thru TelNet. >The only problem with it is that it transfers at like abut 97 CPS! Welcome to Kermit!!! ;) Actually you should try tweaking the packet sizes to improve speed. Bigger packets. A lot of that will depend on your client software on the receiving end. From xenon@yabbs Mon Nov 8 21:47:31 1993 From: xenon@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Mon Nov 8 21:47:31 1993 well, ive hacked on select() fer a bit, looked at the man page and wrote sum test programs, but havent figured it out yet...since its non-ANSI, i havent had much luck in the couple of ANSI-C texts i have. anywayz, do you know of any books i could look at that might give a better description than the man pages (i hate tryin to decypher those damn things). thanx, --> Xenon From htoaster@yabbs Tue Nov 9 16:05:12 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: xenon@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Tue Nov 9 16:05:12 1993 In message re: Loop until keypress, xenon said: > well, ive hacked on select() fer a bit, looked at the man page and wrote > sum test programs, but havent figured it out yet...since its non-ANSI, i > havent had much luck in the couple of ANSI-C texts i have. anywayz, do > you know of any books i could look at that might give a better description > than the man pages (i hate tryin to decypher those damn things). want some demo code? Here is the rthe yabbs client: while (!readkey) { FD_ZERO(&fds); /* zero bitfields for select */ FD_SET(STDIN, &fds); /* check standard input */ FD_SET(s, &fds); /* check server socket */ if (select(s+1, &fds, (fd_set *)NULL, (fd_set *)NULL, NULL) == -1) { perror("readc:select"); } /* if our message is from stdin handle it, otherwise it is from * the server, so let handlemsg() take care of it */ if (FD_ISSET(s, &fds)) { handlemsg(); /* read and deal with packet */ } else if (FD_ISSET(STDIN, &fds)) { line = 1; ch = fgetc(stdin); if ((ch == 4) && (och <= 127)) killconnection(K_USER); else if ((ch != 8) && (ch != 10) && (ch != 13) && (ch != '\t') && (ch != 21) && (ch < 32) && (ch > 127)) readkey = FALSE; else if ((ch == '\n') && (och == '\r')) readkey = FALSE; else { och = ch; readkey = TRUE; return ch; } } } this doesn't use the timeout stuff (last parameter to select), but I could explain that as well. Also, for those hackers of you out there, this is the code that causes problems with reading passwords (double return), I think, so if you see anything stupid in here yell at me. I haven't looked at the code in ages, since it hasn't changed much since the first day that I started yabbs. alex From jmac@yabbs Tue Nov 9 17:33:54 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Max users. Date: Tue Nov 9 17:33:54 1993 Is there any limit to the number of users who can be logged on Phred at a time? From xenon@yabbs Tue Nov 9 18:55:07 1993 From: xenon@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Loop until keypress Date: Tue Nov 9 18:55:07 1993 wow...heh...that was more than i wuz expecting...thanx... From htoaster@yabbs Tue Nov 9 19:15:15 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: jmac@yabbs Subject: re: Max users. Date: Tue Nov 9 19:15:15 1993 In message Max users., jmac said: > Is there any limit to the number of users who can be logged on Phred at a > time? 128, but the system will become unusably slow long before that. actually, the os has a limit of 48 right now, because that is how many telnet sessions I allow, so 48...or maybe 32...something like that. htoaster From jmac@yabbs Tue Nov 9 21:03:43 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: BSD Date: Tue Nov 9 21:03:43 1993 Hey, what's the deal with 386BSD? Is it still supported? I just finished mailing my SASE disk for "Tiny 386BSD" and I read that only NetBSD and FreeBSD(?) are supported now. What's the difference between all these versions? Thanks. From johndeer@yabbs Tue Nov 9 22:39:50 1993 From: johndeer@yabbs To: Perspex@yabbs Subject: c Date: Tue Nov 9 22:39:50 1993 just use the modulus command in C that ruturns the remainder when dividing. if you divide the number being tested by all odd numbers up to the square root of that number, and at any point if you get a 0, then it is not prime.. john Deere From gruffman@yabbs Sun Nov 14 12:04:56 1993 From: gruffman@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: dirs Date: Sun Nov 14 12:04:56 1993 hmm i thought i already posted this message but i didn't see it here. anyway while trying to ftp something i ran accross this problem, and yes i looked in unix manuals: i do a listing, and get drwxrwxrwx 512 file.ps.Z and i know it's a directory, but i can't change to it. the computer says that there's no such file or directory as file.ps.Z. is there some character that might be part of the name that someone could have put there, that doesn't show up on a terminal screen? i had the same problem at another place, except that whenever i did a listing, the string '^P++^P0' came up on the next ftp prompt...? From jasonlee@yabbs Sun Nov 14 17:35:06 1993 From: jasonlee@yabbs To: gruffman@yabbs Subject: re: dirs Date: Sun Nov 14 17:35:06 1993 Hmmm...that sounds interesting. A lot of pirate ftp sites have used similar tools to make access to the elite stuff a little difficult. I don't know if that's the case on that system or what. I remember one place, way back when, that had stuff hidden in a dir called ".. " so you had to do cd "\".. \"" or something like that. See if there might be some hidden spaces at the end of files.ps.Z or something. try cd "files.ps.Z" I don't really know what I'm talking about, though. JasonLee From jmac@yabbs Sun Nov 14 23:23:18 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: BSD.. Date: Sun Nov 14 23:23:18 1993 Hey, what is the diff. between 386BSD and NetBSD?? Thanks. From htoaster@yabbs Mon Nov 15 00:17:53 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: jmac@yabbs Subject: re: BSD.. Date: Mon Nov 15 00:17:53 1993 In message BSD.., jmac said: > Hey, what is the diff. between 386BSD and NetBSD?? 386bsd is the original version of bsd on the 386 for free. It hasn't been updated in a long time (almost 2 years) and it generally buggy. NetBSD is one of two replacements for it (the other is FreeBSD) each of which is much less buggy (and thus much more stable) and has lots of nifty features. I personally run NetBSD (on this machine) and have 3 other friends who run it as well. We all have had nothing but good luck with it on varying hardware. alex From alexito@yabbs Tue Nov 16 18:11:48 1993 From: alexito@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Presentation Date: Tue Nov 16 18:11:48 1993 Hi! I'm new in this service and I want to know you? I hope that my message interest you... Hasta la vista baby!... From pharmer@yabbs Tue Nov 16 22:47:02 1993 From: pharmer@yabbs To: alexito@yabbs Subject: re: Presentation Date: Tue Nov 16 22:47:02 1993 that was a really interesting message! -pharmer From jmac@yabbs Wed Nov 17 16:42:09 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: MS-DOS Tar Date: Wed Nov 17 16:42:09 1993 I'm having alot of problems finding a copy of Tar which works in DOS. Yesterday I got a copy of "Tar4DOS.ZIP" from freeBSD.cdrom.com and I can't get the damn thing to work. TARing in Unix seems to work perfectly but when I try the files in DOS nothing happens! Any ideas?? From GanGreen@yabbs Thu Nov 18 01:50:31 1993 From: GanGreen@yabbs To: jmac@yabbs Subject: re: MS-DOS Tar Date: Thu Nov 18 01:50:31 1993 I use a program by the name of EXTAR to un-tar things, I don't know if it will tar them, as I have never tried. It seems to work fairly well... It isn't very big, if you would like me to mail you a copy I probably could. GanGreen From jealousy@yabbs Thu Nov 18 14:49:06 1993 From: jealousy@yabbs To: GanGreen@yabbs Subject: re: MS-DOS Tar Date: Thu Nov 18 14:49:06 1993 Uh..sorry..I don't know exactly what I'm doing here From pooper@yabbs Sun Nov 21 10:07:56 1993 From: pooper@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: zmodem download Date: Sun Nov 21 10:07:56 1993 Alright.. i'm having a little problem with getting stuff from my hosts computer to mine.. I can use sz and it'll do 4k and then just timeout... sb and sx work fine tho... they're using an IBM RT with only about 900 megs of space... any ideas that could possibly fix this? I only get like 1000 cps when i download with ymodem and it sucks... Heres another strange thing... i can Upload from my computer to theirs with zmodem... I just can download.... Any command line parameters or anything like that would be appreciated... lates.. -ncrawler From Alvin@yabbs Sun Nov 21 12:21:25 1993 From: Alvin@yabbs To: pooper@yabbs Subject: re: zmodem download Date: Sun Nov 21 12:21:25 1993 are you using the DSZodem protocol? or just using the zmodem in your comm program? also, i have the DSZmodem crack which makes it registered and gets rid of all the messages and shit. e-mail me. Alvin nollette@sumax.seattleu.edu From cosmos@yabbs Sun Nov 21 15:27:06 1993 From: cosmos@yabbs To: pooper@yabbs Subject: re: zmodem download Date: Sun Nov 21 15:27:06 1993 (nice name) Try using sz -eb (the e escapes control codes, and the b specifies binary) This might work, or it might not. Cosmos From jasonlee@yabbs Sun Nov 21 15:42:49 1993 From: jasonlee@yabbs To: pooper@yabbs Subject: re: zmodem download Date: Sun Nov 21 15:42:49 1993 You might want to try escaping control characters, or changing your stty baud rate, or playing with the packet size. On my system, I use sz -rw 4096 filename, and I get about 1100-1400 cps (I'm connected via a 19.2 line). Have fun... JasonLee From jmac@yabbs Mon Nov 22 15:32:50 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: ExTar.. Date: Mon Nov 22 15:32:50 1993 Okay, I picked up a copy of ExTar for DOS. I'm am still having major problems unTaring files to DOS. The program is so straight forward that I've come to the conclusion that my .Tar files must be screwed. ExTar should be able to decomp. files with a .tar extension, right?? Thanks. From swami@yabbs Mon Nov 22 16:32:35 1993 From: swami@yabbs To: pooper@yabbs Subject: re: zmodem download Date: Mon Nov 22 16:32:35 1993 Try disabling escape control characters, either as Cosmos said in the Zmodem command line, or at your TCP/IP front end by typing something like "df" which will disable flow control. It should say "port ready for binary uploads./downloads" or something to that effect. swami From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 23 13:48:44 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: tar Date: Tue Nov 23 13:48:44 1993 i have a program tar.exe works exactly like the unix version except it is for dos, and it is sometimes a little picky about which order you put the aommand line switches in. but either way it works very well. if you want it i will bring it with tommorrow and put it up for you. -wonko .s fuck From wonko@yabbs Tue Nov 23 13:49:50 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: tar Date: Tue Nov 23 13:49:50 1993 oh yea, you can tar stuff too, i also have gzip if you want that, it is nice because it kons that the extention .tgz stands for tar.gz and when it uncompresses the file it uncompresses it to a .tar file. pretty slick. -wonko From jmac@yabbs Tue Nov 23 21:06:38 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: tar Date: Tue Nov 23 21:06:38 1993 Sounds wild. Could you post it on phred? Does GZip understand Tared files?? Thanks. From alarsson@yabbs Wed Nov 24 05:45:27 1993 From: alarsson@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: PD UNIX Systems Date: Wed Nov 24 05:45:27 1993 Hi htoaster, I just wonder if you ever run Yabbs under Linux? HI Yours, Arne arne.larsson@ntc.nokia.com From wonko@yabbs Wed Nov 24 08:19:29 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: jmac@yabbs Subject: re: tar Date: Wed Nov 24 08:19:29 1993 ok, quick blurb on gzip and tar. first tar: if you are familiar with UNIX's tar then you will have no problems useing this version of tar. except for the fact that it is somewhat picky about the order you put some command line switches it is exactly like the unix version. very nice program, you can tar stuff that can be untarred on unix as well as the other way. gzip: again, exactly like the unix version, i don't know the rules for what extention it gives to unzipped files because as a general rule of thumb when you are gzipping something it is one file. come to think of it i don't think you can zip up more than one file like pkzip or arj lets you do. but that is because it is related to the unix version. so what i am trying to say (what am i trying to say?? i don't know it's too fucking early) is that usually a gzipped file is a tarred file to begin with. so when you copy blurb.tar.gz to a valid dos name call it blurb.tgz anf this version of tar will decompress it to blurb.tar from where you can use tar.exe to untar it. i hope that made sense, kinda did to me and i konw what i am talking about. sheesh. -wonko ps- if i have a copy of them with me today (i have to check) i will post them today yet. if not you will have to wait till friday as i am not in on thursdays. From wonko@yabbs Wed Nov 24 08:20:57 1993 From: wonko@yabbs To: wonko@yabbs Subject: re: tar Date: Wed Nov 24 08:20:57 1993 way in the end of that last post i said tar instead of gzip, you should be able to figure out what i ment, i hope. -wonko From htoaster@yabbs Wed Nov 24 10:11:25 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: alarsson@yabbs Subject: re: PD UNIX Systems Date: Wed Nov 24 10:11:25 1993 In message re: PD UNIX Systems, alarsson said: > I just wonder if you ever run Yabbs under Linux? I haven't personally, but others have. Actually, I did do some of the original yabbs programming under linux (about 1.5 years ago), but I quickly switched to 386bsd (and later NetBSD). But it should compile pretty easily. alex From pharmer@yabbs Wed Nov 24 12:22:10 1993 From: pharmer@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: fingerd going wild Date: Wed Nov 24 12:22:10 1993 Has anyone heard about a little jewel of a program that puts fingerd's into an infinite loop? Some people hit our site with it, did a ps -ef and saw 4 fingerd's running, each over 1200 minutes of cpu. Was curious if anyone had any source or knew what it was sending. pharmer From cosmos@yabbs Sun Nov 28 16:21:22 1993 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Sun Nov 28 16:21:22 1993 Okay, I am going to do the unthinkable and get a *CHOKE* intel machine. It's a 486 DX2/66 with 8 megs ram/340 hd. ANyways, which is better, linux or bsd...I am damn well familiar with unix, this isnt gonna be a training machine. Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Sun Nov 28 17:06:38 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Sun Nov 28 17:06:38 1993 In message Which pub *nix to run..., cosmos said: > Okay, I am going to do the unthinkable and get a *CHOKE* intel machine. > It's a 486 DX2/66 with 8 megs ram/340 hd. ANyways, which is better, linux > or bsd...I am damn well familiar with unix, this isnt gonna be a training > machine. bsd is going to be similar to other systems that you have used and has a better (IMHO) kernel design... alex From pyro@yabbs Sun Nov 28 19:51:28 1993 From: pyro@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Sun Nov 28 19:51:28 1993 You might also want to think about NextStep 486, Cosmos. Of course, its not free, and you need more memory and a CD ROM drive , and probably a better video card than the standard. From cosmos@yabbs Mon Nov 29 06:02:42 1993 From: cosmos@yabbs To: pyro@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Mon Nov 29 06:02:42 1993 Hmmm...well, seeing as I refuse to pay for software that could be a problem, but then again it never has been in the past...:) As for a CD-ROM drive...no thanks. Call me old fashioned and behind the times, but it is just not justified in my budget or mindframe to get one. The video is SVGA, local bus, or some other intel crap....I just needed a friggin intel machine to run some dos progs for classes and stuff. The bulk of my resources on this machine will go to unix... BSD sounds like the way to go...unless someone can scrounge me up ATT Sys V Rel 4.2 :) (I prefer att over berkeley unix -- another old fashioned trait) Cosmos From ea@yabbs Wed Dec 1 12:04:16 1993 From: ea@yabbs To: pyro@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Wed Dec 1 12:04:16 1993 For NS 486 he's going to need more HD as well. Assuming he's getting the Developers version, to run it WELL he will need a CD-ROM, 32 RAM, and 1 gig HD, but it will run on 16 RAM and 600 HD. Actually, it would run with 8 RAM, but it will only barely run... (No color, REALLY slow, etc). Ea. From swami@yabbs Wed Dec 1 15:50:18 1993 From: swami@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Wed Dec 1 15:50:18 1993 I personally run Linux and have no complaints. In its early stages, it was pretty hacked up, but the distributions are very clean now a days. IMHO, there's a lot more activity in the linux world, though it is indeed just an exercise in hacking...I've never looked back after running it for over a year (in X right now). Food for thought. swami From jmac@yabbs Wed Dec 1 18:08:54 1993 From: jmac@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Non SCSI CD drives Date: Wed Dec 1 18:08:54 1993 Is it possible to run a non-SCSI CD-ROM drive under BSD? IE: the cheapo Mitsumi, and Panasonic drives. From htoaster@yabbs Wed Dec 1 22:38:15 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: jmac@yabbs Subject: re: Non SCSI CD drives Date: Wed Dec 1 22:38:15 1993 There is a driver for the mitsumi drives...don't know about panasonics... if your looking for a drive it is probably worth investing in a scsi card anyway...they come in really nicely when you want to use stuff like tape drives, and their hard drive performance is very good... alex From phragger@yabbs Sun Dec 5 09:52:59 1993 From: phragger@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Sun Dec 5 09:52:59 1993 if you are gonna run with only 8m, linux is the one to go for. basically because it can run X w/ 8megs and not start swapping on the first few xterms. linux is VERY MESSY (imho), but i've heard they have at least on some point been thinking about cleaning it up. Well, anyways, it works, most bsd and posix and sysv stuff compile easy. there is netbsd and freebsd on the bsd side. netbsd is still very much in its infancy, with yet no shared libs (kiss x goodbye) and even a machine dependet kmem thingimajig (almost, called it an api, tsiisus), but they're supposed to fix that "later". netbsd is gonna be on very many platforms, amiga, apple, ipm, sun3, hp300. the amiga version can do sun3 binaries, etc. but as far as i know, everything except the ipm version are betabetabeta. about freebsd i don't know much at all. somebody else prob talk about that. but the newse version is 1.1alpha (as far as i know) and the only thing i know about it that it isn't "stable".... From htoaster@yabbs Sun Dec 5 10:26:24 1993 From: htoaster@yabbs To: phragger@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Sun Dec 5 10:26:24 1993 In message re: Which pub *nix to run..., phragger said: > there is netbsd and freebsd on the bsd side. netbsd is still very much in > its infancy, with yet no shared libs (kiss x goodbye) and even a machine > dependet kmem thingimajig (almost, called it an api, tsiisus), but they're > supposed to fix that "later". netbsd is gonna be on very many platforms, > amiga, apple, ipm, sun3, hp300. the amiga version can do sun3 binaries, > etc. but as far as i know, everything except the ipm version are > betabetabeta. about freebsd i don't know much at all. somebody else prob > talk about that. but the newse version is 1.1alpha (as far as i know) and > the only thing i know about it that it isn't "stable".... netbsd 1.0 will have shared libraries, and you can already get support for them by compiling netbsd-current (which is pretty painless, I did it on a friends machine). Also, X runs fine in 8 megs, I have two computers in here setup with NetBSD 0.9 (no shared libs), each of which has 8 megs (one is a 386/33 and one is a 486slc2/66 (sorta of a wierd system)). Phred has 18 megs, which is nice, but isn't totally necessary. Also, amiga support is about as stable as the pc stuff from what I understand. The mac system works pretty well on some systems, but neither the mac or amiga versions have X running (from what I last heard). And yes, both will run sun3 binaries. Linux really isn't a whole lot smaller than netbsd anymore, esp if you compile netbsd with the shared libs. Linux has so much extra kernel bloat (like drivers for everything under the sun compiled into the distribution kernel) that their kernel is actually bigger than the bsd kernel (with both kernels uncompressed). In the future you might want to be a little more careful not to spread info that you don't know that much about. NetBSD is very much a stable system to run under (much more so than Linux IMHO) and really is not missing any features that linux has, with the exception of a few drivers here and there. alex From Trident@yabbs Tue Jan 11 21:46:33 1994 From: Trident@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: TAR. Date: Tue Jan 11 21:46:33 1994 Hey. If I wanted to unTAR "yabbs.tar.Z" to my "/tmp" directory, what would I type? I've tried Tar xvf but it doesn't seem to work. Thanks. From Vmax!@yabbs Tue Jan 11 22:39:31 1994 From: Vmax!@yabbs To: Trident@yabbs Subject: re: TAR. Date: Tue Jan 11 22:39:31 1994 cd /tmp uncompress yabbs.tar.Z tar xf yabbs.tar You need to uncompress it first ... You can also do zcat yabbs.tar.Z | tar xf - From HariOm@yabbs Sat Jan 15 23:12:05 1994 From: HariOm@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Date: Sat Jan 15 23:12:05 1994 donw@marconi.w8upd.uakron.edu .....Was here.. From ziplock@yabbs Sun Jan 16 23:00:20 1994 From: ziplock@yabbs To: HariOm@yabbs Subject: re: Date: Sun Jan 16 23:00:20 1994 In message , HariOm said: > donw@marconi.w8upd.uakron.edu .....Was here.. ... and then went back to ohio ;) From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Jan 17 07:16:04 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Which Unix to Run? Date: Mon Jan 17 07:16:04 1994 Although it isn't public, and most certainly not free (legally), there is also SCO Unix which I hear has good compatibility with a variety of systems. Since someone brought up NeXTStep for Intel, I should also mention SunSoft's Solaris 2.x for Intel. But I would lean towards the SCO, though I haven't used it, and though I run Sun machines now. Also, since Novell bought the rights to the Unix name, they have released it to the public domain; correct me if I'm wrong. No more spelling it Un*x... Fastjack From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 17 09:12:50 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: Which Unix to Run? Date: Mon Jan 17 09:12:50 1994 In message Which Unix to Run?, Fastjack said: > Although it isn't public, and most certainly not free (legally), there is > also SCO Unix which I hear has good compatibility with a variety of > systems. Since someone brought up NeXTStep for Intel, I should also > mention SunSoft's Solaris 2.x for Intel. But I would lean towards the > SCO, though I haven't used it, and though I run Sun machines now. I wouldn't reccomend unix after working for a company that had bought it. Their tech support is completely awful, their prices are high, and you aren't going to get a much higher quality product that you would be going with another vendor. If you want a commercial system right now I would look at BSDI (if a BSD based system is okay) or one of the other sysV based systems (I've heard lots good about Dell, but never have used it). > Also, since Novell bought the rights to the Unix name, they have released > it to the public domain; correct me if I'm wrong. No more spelling it > Un*x... The didn't do that, but instead that any system that meets a certain spec (a book of about 500 pages) could be called Unix. There are still complications that stop systems like Linux and NetBSD from being called Unix... alex From uufnord@yabbs Mon Jan 17 23:17:52 1994 From: uufnord@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Which Unix to Run? Date: Mon Jan 17 23:17:52 1994 There might be some valid legal reason, but why don't they just spell it differently if they really wanted to call it unix.. Like You-nix or Eunuchs or the thousand other comical variations on the name.. From cos@yabbs Tue Jan 18 10:52:07 1994 From: cos@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: Which Unix to Run? Date: Tue Jan 18 10:52:07 1994 Well, first off SCO sucks rocks. Trust me, it runs alot of things and has application support like wordporfect and other stuff but it really is a mess. And for 1200 dollars it aint worth the media its shipped on. As for novell giving free unix...I wish. It has UNIXWARE which is sys v 4.2 with motif/osf stuff for a graphical interface, it is very neatly put together and I am looking at purchasing it myself., It costs around 200 dollars right now. Cosmos From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Jan 22 15:15:39 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: cos@yabbs Subject: re: Which Unix to Run? Date: Sat Jan 22 15:15:39 1994 Hey cos... I meant the name was free, Unix, not the product. BTW, tell me how the Unixware works out; I haven't heard good things (of course most of this was from a mag, and you know how they are... Fastjack From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jan 22 19:44:06 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!! Date: Sat Jan 22 19:44:06 1994 I had to get your attention... :) Anyways, the chat discussion seems to be Linux Vs NetBSD. NetBSD is a better system in my opinion, a much better implementation than linux. As soon as I get my Adaptec 1542 SCSI Controller its going on my 1.3 gig drive. Alex...when is 1.0 supposed to come out?? What about QIC-80 tapes...anyone working on drivers/support for them?? Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Sat Jan 22 20:14:59 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!! Date: Sat Jan 22 20:14:59 1994 netbsd 1.0 will probably (by my guess) come out in march or so... someone is working on a qic80 driver for freebsd (should be trivial to port across), but I'm not sure how it is coming. if it works it might be in netbsd 1.0, and if it isn't adding drivers is pretty easy. alex From reefa@yabbs Mon Jan 24 07:43:07 1994 From: reefa@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: bbs software Date: Mon Jan 24 07:43:07 1994 hi all.. well, i dont really know how many times this question has been asked, but does anyone haveny recomendations as to bbs software for unix? i am running slackware linux at the moment on a 200meg hdd, i want something that is fairly versatile but not a prick to setup (1001 config files.. argh!).. i have heard that eagle bbs and ubbs are pretty decent, and i have gotten myself a copy of the UNIXBBS.FAQ, but im more after a users personal opinion, not just some reviewer guy's... Thanks in advance.. reefa From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jan 24 09:42:32 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: reefa@yabbs Subject: re: bbs software Date: Mon Jan 24 09:42:32 1994 In message bbs software, reefa said: > hi all.. > well, i dont really know how many times this question has been asked, > but does anyone haveny recomendations as to bbs software for unix? i am > running slackware linux at the moment on a 200meg hdd, i want something > that is fairly versatile but not a prick to setup (1001 config files.. > argh!).. i have heard that eagle bbs and ubbs are pretty decent, and i > have gotten myself a copy of the UNIXBBS.FAQ, but im more after a users > personal opinion, not just some reviewer guy's... Well, this is probably pretty biased, but why don't you try yabbs (what this system is running on). You can get the source code for it from this machine by anon-ftp, and it should be pretty easy to compile on linux (if you have problems tell me and I'll help you out). Configuration is done in two files, it doesn't take much space (this system takes up 5 megs, not including the gfiles). Personally I don't like eagles bbs a whole lot. I think that their cute interface can get very cumbersome when you really want to use it. I haven't played with ubbs a whole lot. alex From rattler@yabbs Tue Jan 25 14:11:45 1994 From: rattler@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Tue Jan 25 14:11:45 1994 1) Amiga version of netbsd is NOT STABLE. it works. but lots of small quirks here and there. been some big ones lately, but they be fixed. if you use it, be prepared to get and install new versions as they come out. there is X for it. and shared libs. 2) Yes. but linux is smaller athan netbsd. and can work with less. the network support SEEMS to be working (ive run into some linux sites on the net :-) linux 1.0 is supposed to be out soon. (or is, havent bothered to check) 3) 8Mgs can run bsd, but it is NOT comfortable. i`ve done it , and ited swapping w/ emacs + make. 4) I cant say i think kernel size is an issue. on both systems you can rebuild the kernel if you wish. From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jan 25 16:47:40 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: rattler@yabbs Subject: re: Which pub *nix to run... Date: Tue Jan 25 16:47:40 1994 In message re: Which pub *nix to run..., rattler said: > 2) Yes. but linux is smaller athan netbsd. and can work with less. > the network support SEEMS to be working (ive run into some linux sites on > the net :-) > linux 1.0 is supposed to be out soon. > (or is, havent bothered to check) They've been saying that for years (about as long as 386bsd 0.2 has been promissed). So I really don't expect it anytime soon. > 3) 8Mgs can run bsd, but it is NOT comfortable. i`ve done it , and > ited swapping w/ emacs + make. This really depends. Under shared libraries (which are available) you can run in a lot less memory. Also, gnuemacs is quite a memory hog. Use something else (like vi, uemacs, or micrognuemacs) and you'll run quite fine in 8 megs (or even 6). I ran under 6 megs for about a year, without X, but with having people on yabbs all the time, with not a whole lot of swapping. These days I have 16 megs and rarely swap, even with X. Of course emacs never gets run on this machine (it isn't even on the drive, just nfs mounted from another machine). > 4) I cant say i think kernel size is an issue. on both systems you can > rebuild the kernel if you wish. True. Linux people used to say that their kernel was smaller, and thus better, but that is pretty untrue these days. The default kernel on both systems is around 500k or so... alex From panzer@yabbs Tue Jan 25 21:39:26 1994 From: panzer@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: linux Date: Tue Jan 25 21:39:26 1994 Well, I'm slightly biased towards linux, I run a linux machine. Deciding on NETBSD or Linux seems to be personal preference after awhile. Both are still in the <1.0 version stage. Both are relatively stable. Both run X11 without problem, and both compile software (BSD maybe more likely though). I run linux because it was the first one I ran into, and I don't mind SysV based things. If you have only ever played on a BSD based machine, then running linux is going to cause you some minor problems. If anyone has any questions about running linux, send me email, I'ld be glad to help out. -Panzer From Bolus@yabbs Wed Jan 26 01:48:05 1994 From: Bolus@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Clients/Unix.. Date: Wed Jan 26 01:48:05 1994 What is the advantage of running a yabbs client? Also, is it possible to install NetBSD on my second drive (first drive is pure DOS) and still boot into NetBSD? Can I do this without having a small partition on the first drive?? Thanks.. From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 06:46:56 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: panzer@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Wed Jan 26 06:46:56 1994 All free unixes are *BSD* based. Linux just has the look and feel of Sys V. Sys V(the real thing) is chalk full of license feesfees and other att crap. But SYS V is my forte so I shant knock the OS. Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 10:03:24 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Wed Jan 26 10:03:24 1994 In message re: linux , cosmos said: > All free unixes are *BSD* based. This is wrong. Linux is written from scratch, using lots of gnu stuff for the system utilities. I think Panzer is right, it is just a matter of personal preference for the most part. Try both if you want to see which one you like better. I've done this, and have decided the NetBSD is more suitable for my needs. alex From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 10:06:42 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Bolus@yabbs Subject: re: Clients/Unix.. Date: Wed Jan 26 10:06:42 1994 In message Clients/Unix.., Bolus said: > What is the advantage of running a yabbs client? It should be a lot faster, esp with regards to the lag in typing that a lot of people notice. It also will let you use any editor and pager you want. Finally it helps to keep the system load down on my machine. The only disadvantage is that it takes up a little space on your machine. Clients tend to run between 100k and 200k. > Also, is it possible to install NetBSD on my second drive (first drive is > pure DOS) and still boot into NetBSD? Can I do this without having a > small partition on the first drive?? Supposedly, but I haven't done it. If you have access to usenet post on comp.os.386bsd.questions. alex From ducky@yabbs Wed Jan 26 11:04:46 1994 From: ducky@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Clients/Unix.. Date: Wed Jan 26 11:04:46 1994 In message re: Clients/Unix.., htoaster said: > The only disadvantage is that it takes up a little space on your machine. > Clients tend to run between 100k and 200k. Actually, if your system has shared libraries, and you are able to compile the yabbs client from sources (phred.pc.cc.cmu.edu:/pub/yabbs/yabbscli.tar.gz) you can build a much smaller client using shared libraries. All the binaries in phred.pc.cc.cmu.edu:/pub/yabbs/clients are linked statically though so that they are portable between systems that may have different versions of the shared libraries. -k From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 11:24:17 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Wed Jan 26 11:24:17 1994 My lingual mistake! I meant that no public UNIX is really Sys V since the source for Sys V was and still is "propietary code" now licensed to novell. BSD releases their source code(for a price). Cosmos From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jan 26 11:26:04 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Clients/Unix.. Date: Wed Jan 26 11:26:04 1994 Hey alex, want to give me the source for the client?? I will see about porting it to the AIX platform. Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 13:11:56 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Wed Jan 26 13:11:56 1994 In message re: linux , cosmos said: > novell. BSD releases their source code(for a price). Well, for free as well, if the source isn't usl derived. This includes the kernel, the libraries, and lots of the utilities, which is all of the stuff that NetBSD is based on. alex From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jan 26 13:12:36 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Clients/Unix.. Date: Wed Jan 26 13:12:36 1994 In message re: Clients/Unix.., cosmos said: > Hey alex, want to give me the source for the client?? I will see > about porting it to the AIX platform. its in /pub/yabbs/yabbscli.tar.gz on this machine. If you get it compiled let me know... alex From reefa@yabbs Thu Jan 27 03:57:19 1994 From: reefa@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: bbs software Date: Thu Jan 27 03:57:19 1994 i havent quite figured out how to quote on this yet.. so here goes anyway! :) Well i have got myself a copy of yabbs now, i will probably install it in the next few days.. i will probably end up emailing you all these problems! eheh.. cya! Reefa.. ps: my email address is: reefa@cloud.apana.org.au From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jan 27 10:07:11 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: reefa@yabbs Subject: re: bbs software Date: Thu Jan 27 10:07:11 1994 In message re: bbs software, reefa said: > i havent quite figured out how to quote on this yet.. so here goes anyway! > :) To quote you need to use a client at your end, because quoting is only supported with external editors. alex From abort@yabbs Thu Jan 27 20:39:40 1994 From: abort@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Date: Thu Jan 27 20:39:40 1994 I have two questions !. where are the documents for the clients. I tried it out, but still couldnt get to use my favorite editor with it, which is vi 2. ALSO, would it be a waste of time to try and install Linux on a 386 with 80meg HD and only 4meg RAM. From ziplock@yabbs Thu Jan 27 23:18:25 1994 From: ziplock@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!! Date: Thu Jan 27 23:18:25 1994 In message LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!!, cosmos said: > Alex...when is 1.0 supposed to come out?? What about QIC-80 > tapes...anyone working on drivers/support for them?? Yeah, Jesus Monroy ;) From ziplock@yabbs Thu Jan 27 23:19:12 1994 From: ziplock@yabbs To: Bolus@yabbs Subject: re: Clients/Unix.. Date: Thu Jan 27 23:19:12 1994 In message Clients/Unix.., Bolus said: > What is the advantage of running a yabbs client? You will be much cooler, make friends easier, and reduce tooth decay. From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jan 28 05:35:14 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: ziplock@yabbs Subject: re: LINUX BLOWS DONKEY BALLS!!! Date: Fri Jan 28 05:35:14 1994 No shit, I just saw that flamefest on comp.386bsd over those qic-80 drivers....heh. Cosmos From panzer@yabbs Fri Jan 28 14:57:52 1994 From: panzer@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: linux, qic-80, etc.. Date: Fri Jan 28 14:57:52 1994 You could install linux on 80megs, 4 megs of ram without problem. The usefulness of any unix on that amount of space is kind of in question. If you just want to get the feel for unix, install away and get used to how things are set up. If you want to "run unix", pronounce heavily, then you need more drive space, more ram, bigger, faster, better... I run linux on a 386dx40 w/ 500megs HD space, 8 megs ram, I have 32 megs of swap set space, and I have a connection via slip. It all works great, and I use a pile of space on my machine. You can get X11 running with systems utilities, and everything else on an 80 meg drive. Just don't expect much space left for yourself to compile your own programs... -Panzer From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jan 28 19:05:56 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: linux, qic-80, etc.. Date: Fri Jan 28 19:05:56 1994 Well here is my system: 486 DX2/66 w/ 16 megs ram 1.3 GIG SCSI Hard Drive 250 meg tape drive 15" SVGA monitor I am going to be running netBSD .09 on 1 GIG space. The rest is dos/windows development. I dont play games or other crap only have ms word 6.0 and the microsoft c/c++ 7.0 compiler and windows sdk development for school. As for the power of UNIX...shit I ran ATT SYS V UNIX on 2 megs ram and 67 meg hard drive on a motorola 68010 processor and it ran smoothly. Sure it was slower but it was fully functional. I might be getting a cd-rom drive for cheap and I already have access to the NeXT step cd roms full developers version so only time will tell... Linux, netBSD, freeBSD, whatever...it's all better than dos/windows. Cosmos From abort@yabbs Mon Jan 31 22:59:47 1994 From: abort@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: yes Date: Mon Jan 31 22:59:47 1994 Alright. I just installed Linux on my 386 with 4megRAM and a 65 meg Linux partition. Talk about squeezing it. Of course without Xfree i'm ok, actually have room to grow a little bit. I have been trying to get my modem to accept logins but without success. I have put an entry in my inittab to spawn a getty to watch the dev/ttyS1, which is my modem. But when I called voice to check It get an answer. I got the Serial HOWTO and am looking thru their but I dont see any differences between what they have in there and what I have set up EXCEPT. they use getty_ps.2.7 or something like that. The newest getty_ps. Do I really need to get that? From jcjc@yabbs Thu Feb 3 06:39:51 1994 From: jcjc@yabbs To: abort@yabbs Subject: re: yes Date: Thu Feb 3 06:39:51 1994 well, I had the same problem, just do this: first, if its linux, then like - take it out of inittab then, run kermit, or just cat > /dev/ttyS1 then init the modem completly! then /bin/getty -mt60 19200,9600,2400,1200,300 /dev/ttyS1 & then try it out, if it works, then great, if not then I have no idea.. check the normal shit though (i.e,. do I have unix installed really, do I have /bin/getty, or ugetty, etc...... do I have a modem, is my modem turned on hahhahaha, gets pretty ridiclous,, any ways. .Hasta -Call Backwarding- From CB@yabbs Sat Feb 5 14:14:57 1994 From: CB@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: Linux, Unix Date: Sat Feb 5 14:14:57 1994 I am running a 386/25 w 4megs ram and 40 meg hard drive, and I am tireing of the limitations/ lack of entertainment in dos. I can't do anything. I see all of these guys saying that you need so muc space and power to run any UNIX. I want to run something. I heard that there is a smaller Unix then Linux.... Are you familliar, or have you heard of it. I am not sure what it is called. Gimme some info on what I can run if you have any. I think I have fallen in love w/ unix and therefore want to sever my relationship with dos :) brinx From htoaster@yabbs Sat Feb 5 14:20:09 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: CB@yabbs Subject: re: Linux, Unix Date: Sat Feb 5 14:20:09 1994 In message Linux, Unix, CB said: > I am running a 386/25 w 4megs ram and 40 meg hard drive, and I am tireing > of the limitations/ lack of entertainment in dos. I can't do anything. I linux will run on this, with a larger drive. the memory should be fine if you don't want to run x, and a 386/25 really isn't a slow machine. i ran yabbs for a year on a 386/16 without too much trouble, with 6 megs of ram, and a 100 meg disk, under bsd. linux was smaller (i ran it for a while on a 20 meg drive without too much trouble, but no emacs (i hate emacs anyway), so you may be able to play around with that... alex From abort@yabbs Sat Feb 5 15:20:35 1994 From: abort@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Linux, Unix Date: Sat Feb 5 15:20:35 1994 Actuallty, with that 20meg drive you can put a bit od stuff on thier. I mean I doubt you can get all the neccesary libraries, and gcc, but otherwise you would still have everything you get with DOS and more. From CB@yabbs Sun Feb 6 12:28:46 1994 From: CB@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Linux, Unix Date: Sun Feb 6 12:28:46 1994 Thanks. I only have a 40 meg drive and it is [hang my head in shame] a PS/1. I know, I know, baaaaaad computer. When I got it it was cheep (sister worked at QVC) and pretty powerful. If you don't want to do much it is a pretty good computer. Not at all upgradable though. I plan to work this summer and possibly put a 486 together myself. We shal see though Brinx From panzer@yabbs Sun Feb 6 18:03:08 1994 From: panzer@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: Linux, Unix Date: Sun Feb 6 18:03:08 1994 This is my dialin line: s2:45:respawn:/usr/local/bin/mgetty -x 3 ttyS2 It's in /etc/inittab. I compiled mgetty so I can send/receive faxes along with having a dial-in. Works great, both dialin and faxes. U could try getting mgetty fron sunsite.unc.edu, or fuck around with ps_getty. -Panzer From Bolus@yabbs Sun Feb 6 21:55:44 1994 From: Bolus@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Binary Arith. Date: Sun Feb 6 21:55:44 1994 Hey, what's the best way convert binary numbers to decimal? Right now I need to convert a 400 bit number into decimal. Thanks. (Yeah, yeah, wrong board...) Thanks. From zenamako@yabbs Fri Feb 11 07:41:57 1994 From: zenamako@yabbs To: reefa@yabbs Subject: re: bbs software Date: Fri Feb 11 07:41:57 1994 Linux bbs software you say reef muh man :) eheh, well, as i said.. go for xbbs or ubbs.. actually.. even give yabbs a try.. it's pretty small.. uhh.. :) oh well From imran@yabbs Tue Feb 15 09:39:24 1994 From: imran@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: UNIX for 486s... Date: Tue Feb 15 09:39:24 1994 Hello everyone. Since everyone here is talking about this stuff, can anyone give me info on setting up a linux or 386bsd or whatever unix thing that are available. I'm assuming they are shareware or something or cheap? What options are there and what are the differences. and most importantly, where can I find them? if anybody is willing to give me this info then I'd appreciate it if you can post it here or email me: iniazi@vt.edu all help will be appreciated... Ian From GreyWolf@yabbs Wed Feb 16 21:54:36 1994 From: GreyWolf@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Wed Feb 16 21:54:36 1994 I am still one of those ppl that 1 might consider in the dark, I still love my DOS. Being a first year student on the other hand, I am starting to find the use in having a Multi-tasking or Pseudo-Multi-tasking OS. The question that I pose to you is, is it possible to set up a partition to have both Unix (or a similar OS) and DOS? Thank kindly -=GreyWolf=- From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 18 05:56:57 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: GreyWolf@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Fri Feb 18 05:56:57 1994 yes it is. As to why you like DOS??? Well, hopefully you will see the light and move on. I run UW Sys V 4.2 on my 486 exclusively, but just about any major UNIX OS allows you to partition your hard drive and let DOS and Unix coexist. Get linux or netBSD from the net and experiment. I would recommend Linux to total newbies since the install is a snap(lloks like a DOS install!), netBSD is geared towards those who know a lot more about UNIX. Both are excellent free systems. Cosmos From Fastjack@yabbs Fri Feb 18 18:46:18 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Fri Feb 18 18:46:18 1994 Hey don't get me wrong... Unix is the best OS there is. But DOS isn't dead and shouldn't be, simply because it is a simple, single user, single tasking OS that can be crutched onto a network, ala netware. It is also all that most people need (most don't use DOS or ms-Windoze to it's full potential by any means.) You can't exactly expect to run a Unix on an 8088 w/ 10 megs-- but this is still a usable machine, great for DOS text work, file manipulation, and runs 16 bit progs. People who can use that effectively can still be more productive than those who have no clue in Windoze... FJ From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 18 19:19:52 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Fri Feb 18 19:19:52 1994 If you have an 8088 it should be tossed. As for using DOS, the meek shall use DOS. I think it's written somewhere. Oh, and BIll Gates commands you to use his products. I ran a full ATT USL UNIX on a motorola 68010 with 2 megs. The son of a bitch held 10 users with out swapping...top that. Heh. To use DOS/Windows effectively all one needs do is get a 29 cent stamp and mail the damn OS back to Bill Gates. Cosmos From ducky@yabbs Fri Feb 18 20:56:07 1994 From: ducky@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Fri Feb 18 20:56:07 1994 In message re: Unix w/ other OS's., cosmos said: > If you have an 8088 it should be tossed. bzzzzzt! wrong answer, thanks for playing tho. . .there is no hard and fast rule for what should be tossed (if in fact anything should be). . .until about 5 months ago, all i had was an xt. . .i've upgraded to a real machine now, but the xt still makes a great terminal. . .even if you don't have the state of the art, if you are resourceful enuff, you can figure out ways to use what you have to do things you want to do. . .and that is what it is all about. . . -k From JasonLee@yabbs Fri Feb 18 20:59:36 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Fri Feb 18 20:59:36 1994 cosmos said: If you have an 8088 it should be tossed. As for using DOS, the meek shall use DOS. I think it's written somewhere. Oh, and BIll Gates commands you to use his products. -------------------- OK, the thing about people using 8088s is that they can't afford a new computer. I know a lot of people who have to subsist with old hardware at home or work because they can't afford to upgrade. In these cases, DOS works fine, and it doesn't matter if you're "meek" or whatever. In the case of someone with an 8088 at workk, why would they want to try to run UNIX? Most of the work that gets done in an office is done with either a spreadsheet or word perfect 5.1. Workplaces are not likely to upgrade people to some kind of UNIX and also have to upgrade the software to whatever pathetic version of WP will run on a powered down system. The point of this is: not everyone can afford to run a hacker/technical operating system. I use OS/2, and I guess I'd rate its complexity and usability somewhere between dos+windows and unix. I'd recommend it for people who know what they're doing. JasonLee From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Feb 19 01:33:14 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Sat Feb 19 01:33:14 1994 The 8088 won't be tossed.... It's being used now as a terminal w/ a 14.4 modem to connect to the heavy iron....the 486 runs Doom..:) Also has DOS 6.2: minus the crap. With a 16550 UART I can even shell to DOS during a DL without crashing it....too used to Unix... From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 19 14:27:49 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: ducky@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Sat Feb 19 14:27:49 1994 Yeah okay your supreme lameness. Heh, seriously I really dont care what you got I was just being facetious. I just dont see the point in having one these days since a decent 386 is so damn cheap. But, it's your damn perogative. Cosmos From Palisade@yabbs Sat Feb 19 18:00:55 1994 From: Palisade@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Sat Feb 19 18:00:55 1994 You'r a REAL asshole cosmos and I don't care what you say. it seems taht all your messages on every base are arrogant little remarks. From feotus@yabbs Sat Feb 19 22:14:50 1994 From: feotus@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Sat Feb 19 22:14:50 1994 hheh I find it funny for people to get so riled up over cosmos's remark. He was bieng facetious. Geesh, talk about a Politically Correct forum or something. Oh well. on another less touchy note(hehe) I am running Linux and dos together no prob. And DOS sux compared to linux, it just sux. Sure it still has some uses, but it still just sux. Makes me feel crampoed, not too mention that it alse wastes the majority of my machine and it's memory with the fuckin 640k limit, and the inability to utilize the 386s and 486s in built multi-tasking codes. I'm running Linux on a 386 with 4megRAM and a 69meg HD partition with a bit of trimming. like a 10meg swap and I got GCC and al the development stuff to fit on here as well as various stuff that I added on. I still have my PCjr and TRS-80 and Commy64 for souvenirs tho. And until my PCjr decided not to recognize the disk drive unless you drop kicked it, i was using that as a terminal for my Linux box. is there a program that wil let a non-Xwindowed Linux box view GIFs from the console? i have the svga lib too. From cosmos@yabbs Sun Feb 20 18:11:49 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Palisade@yabbs Subject: re: Unix w/ other OS's. Date: Sun Feb 20 18:11:49 1994 *KISS* Right back at you... Cosmos From Fastjack@yabbs Sun Feb 20 23:43:25 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Sun Feb 20 23:43:25 1994 Okay, Okay.... New thread. Besides Alex, who has some info on how an x86 Unix runs mult-user compared to a dedicated Unix box, say a sparc? I'm particularly interested in the AT&T SVR4 variants, like Solaris, Dell, AT&T, Xenix, etc, but BSD numbers would be really helpful. I'm really worried that the machine could only support a limited number of users... FJ From panzer@yabbs Mon Feb 21 01:30:57 1994 From: panzer@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Mon Feb 21 01:30:57 1994 well for all you loosers who don't use clients to connect into yabbs, then consider that as a user on-line. And as I've seen the number users online scroll my screen, I don't think there is much to worry about... I have had 5-6 people all running multiple shells/procs on my linux machine without problem also. You just have to remember what type of machines you are comparing. A 386dx40 running linux will be able to handle a lot, but nothing compared to a Sparc 10, try fingering at a netcom machine at some point... :) -Panzer From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 21 06:20:37 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Mon Feb 21 06:20:37 1994 I think they run fine. With the right setup. I have a 486 dx2/66 with 16 megs ram and 540 HD space. I run USL sys v release 4.2 and it works great. With 5 users I noticed hardly a drag until lots of disk writing on my part slowed things down. However, I know a site back home that runs on a 486 66 with 32 megs ram as a full inet site and it works fine. The high end sparcs are faster, but can you justify the price?? Cosmos From Fastjack@yabbs Tue Feb 22 00:40:33 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Tue Feb 22 00:40:33 1994 Yo... >The high end sparcs are faster, but can you justify the price?? Maybe, if I can find one :)... But seriously, which site is it that runs a 486 w/ 32 MB? I may want to talk with this guy. Unfortunately, or fortunately, it looks like I may need to have at least a couple dozen users online, with at least one shell per. I can grab a SS2 for maybe four and a half, but if you look at the numbers, those things are a hell of a lot slower than tens. And right now, it looks like I'm talkin' 10, if I can find one for what they probably _should_ be going for. Otherwise, it looks like a 486/dx2-66 running an AT&T Unix; the latest patch release of USL [:)] or Dell, if I could find out anything about that. I wouldn't even think pentium until they finally get that sucker over 100 MHz. I mean, it's supposed to do that easy, if you listen to Intel [big :)]. If they have the numbers, I guess it would be better to go with the PC(s) rather than Sparcs, due to availability and resale value. FJ From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 22 05:13:13 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Tue Feb 22 05:13:13 1994 The site is genesis.mcs.com you can mail Karl Denninger at karl@genesis.mcs.com. As for dell, I would steer clear of that one, nothing wrong with it but it is no longer supported or manufactured by dell. The latest release of USL is still System V 4.2 but is now being sold by its new owner Univel under the name Unixware. I have it and I can say that it is definately a very nice product. Not to mention that it is dirt cheap among the commercial peecee UNIX vendors. I wouldnt suggest linux for that kind of stuff you are talking about, itll come and bite you in the ass later on. You dont want to set up a multi user site that sounds like it is fairly substantial with a hobbyist Operating System. Email me here with an address of some sorts and I can answer further questions in detail. Cosmos From skippy@yabbs Wed Feb 23 23:22:06 1994 From: skippy@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Wed Feb 23 23:22:06 1994 speaking of 486 machines on the net.... there is a bbs, Eagles Nest, which runs on a 486-25. it is also a regular user machine on the campus where it resides.... pretty impressive for a little 486 i'd say. btw... what kinda machine is phred? --skip From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 24 00:30:48 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: skippy@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Thu Feb 24 00:30:48 1994 In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, skippy said: > there is a bbs, Eagles Nest, which runs on a 486-25. it is also > a regular user machine on the campus where it resides.... > > btw... what kinda machine is phred? 486sx/25 :)... here is the hardware and software setup: 486sx/25, 8k cache, none external (gotta buy some oneday) 16 megs of memory 380 megs of disk (250+130) 3com 3c503 ethernet card (for net connection) plus lots of unimportant stuff so I can use it (monitor, video, etc) software is NetBSD 0.9 (pretty much stock, with a few kernel hacks I've done). To give you an idea of system load, during the last 15 minutes the load average has gone between 0.16 and 1.11, sitting around 0.50 most of the time. Currently there are about 20 users online. A 486 really is a fast system, its just that when you start trying to emulate dos (like windows and os/2 do) you spend so much time worrying about hardware emulation that the machine justs gets bogged down. Running a "true" os like unix (this is a religious issue, lets not argue about it) really does let you do a lot more with the hardware. For the most part I don't notice yabbs when it is running (this has been changing recently w/ all of the new people coming on and the associated flooding), even though I do lots of work on it as well (lots of compiling, and I'm sitting in X windows about 30% of the time). Comparison wise I notice very little difference between this machine and a Decstation 5000. alex From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Feb 24 22:41:09 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Thu Feb 24 22:41:09 1994 htoaster said: here is the hardware and software setup: 486sx/25, 8k cache, none external (gotta buy some oneday) 16 megs of memory 380 megs of disk (250+130) 3com 3c503 ethernet card (for net connection) ------------------------------------------------- What's weird about this is that when I connect here from my VMS account, I get the line: CONNECTED TO PHRED.PC.CC.CMU.EDU, A 386PC RUNNING UNIX Strange.... JasonLee From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 24 23:11:01 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: JasonLee@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Thu Feb 24 23:11:01 1994 In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, JasonLee said: > What's weird about this is that when I connect here from my VMS account, I > get the line: > CONNECTED TO PHRED.PC.CC.CMU.EDU, A 386PC RUNNING UNIX well, that is because the OS that I am running is designed around 386 pc's, and so it probably just returns that. alex From ducky@yabbs Fri Feb 25 09:01:30 1994 From: ducky@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo Date: Fri Feb 25 09:01:30 1994 In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, htoaster said: > In message re: x86 Unices multi-user perfo, JasonLee said: > > What's weird about this is that when I connect here from my VMS account, I > > get the line: > > CONNECTED TO PHRED.PC.CC.CMU.EDU, A 386PC RUNNING UNIX > > well, that is because the OS that I am running is designed around 386 pc's, > and so it probably just returns that. no, actually it is because CMU includes HINFO lines in DNS entries for machines, and phred's lists "PC/386" as the CPU, and "UNIX" as the OS. :-) -k From cosmos@yabbs Mon Feb 28 13:19:11 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Cnews/Tin/trn Date: Mon Feb 28 13:19:11 1994 Anyone familiar with cnews and tin...I am just working on setting up a local newsfeed for my system only. Like a bbs type message system using the UNIX news format. Ill just read the install files and work from there but I would apprecia SHould be fairly simple. Cosmos From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Mar 2 11:07:23 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: linux Date: Wed Mar 2 11:07:23 1994 hey buddy, what is wrong with linux??????? its free!!!!!!!!!!! hardly anything better than something free ever complaion about someone buying you a beer????? not me!!! Free is Free! From cosmos@yabbs Wed Mar 2 11:12:35 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Wed Mar 2 11:12:35 1994 Kidd..is this a little attempt at a flame war? ;) Heheheh....nothing is wrong with linux being free. In fact I love that part. But for my UNIX tastes it aint worth its share of my HD space if you know what I mean. For my uses linux is not worth it. For someone else it may be the best thing since HT added ignore in talk. Anyways, try and steer clear of religious wars on operating systems unless you are bashing DOS. Becasue DOS users are pathetic cretins with no hope. But other than that the UNIX wars will never end and no one is really wrong... Cosmos From TARDIS@yabbs Wed Mar 2 13:47:48 1994 From: TARDIS@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Wed Mar 2 13:47:48 1994 i agree with the bit about DOS, but like i said we are regulated by NASA so whatever they buy we are stuck with......know what i mean!?!?! i was thinking about running linux on my machine here......don't know yet though i am not that familiar with the setup....may need some help! flame war??? helll no we are on the same side From CB@yabbs Wed Mar 2 14:10:17 1994 From: CB@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: Os wars Date: Wed Mar 2 14:10:17 1994 That last one on the religious wars on OSes was probably the coolest thing I have heard you say. Brinx From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Mar 2 16:25:17 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: TARDIS@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Wed Mar 2 16:25:17 1994 the TARDIS said: i agree with the bit about DOS, but like i said we are regulated by NASA so whatever they buy we are stuck with......know what i mean!?!?! ================================================================== Wait! NASA uses DOS? MS-DOS? No wonder they lost the Mars observer... JasonLee From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Mar 2 16:40:54 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: JasonLee@yabbs Subject: yeppers Date: Wed Mar 2 16:40:54 1994 NASA is a bigg freakin user of DOS,,,,,..... the live and die by Mr. Gates sad but true........... MS-LanManger ACK..... they are not even considering Novell damn shame From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 3 11:28:09 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Attention All! Date: Thu Mar 3 11:28:09 1994 Attention.... I was informed this morning that USL SYstem V 4.2 does *NOT* run on intel 386/486 platforms. Im returning my copy today. Boy am I glad I cleared that up. Thank you Cgrinds for informing me of that. ;) Seriously, Anyone know of a good PD Word Processor type program for X windows. I need something to write my crummy papers in and well, vi is just not cutting it. ;) Got a source code site for me then mail ro post it here. Cosmos From GreyWolf@yabbs Thu Mar 3 17:00:59 1994 From: GreyWolf@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Thu Mar 3 17:00:59 1994 Did I hear the word FREE?!?!?!? Well if I did (I know I'm an idiot, you don't have to tell me) can you tell me where to get it? Je$u$ love$ you. (and your wallet) GreyWolf From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 3 19:07:12 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: GreyWolf@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Thu Mar 3 19:07:12 1994 You want linux??? Okay..... ;) FTP: sunsite.unc.edu try netBSD first....but do NOT take this as a religious argument I plug neither just look at netBSD first and if this is too complicated for you at this point go to linux which has a much more thorough and beginner install. Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Thu Mar 3 19:31:47 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: netbsd Date: Thu Mar 3 19:31:47 1994 if you want netbsd ftp agate.berkeley.edu and look around in /pub/NetBSD. there is also freebsd on freebsd.cdrom.com. alex From cosmos@yabbs Fri Mar 4 05:44:18 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: netbsd Date: Fri Mar 4 05:44:18 1994 Hheheheh...whoops...I should have included the FTP address too....oh well...thanks HT. Cosmos From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:28:54 1994 From: NJDEVIL@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Fri Mar 4 08:28:54 1994 F**k you cosmos, leave DOS alone!! From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:29:29 1994 From: NJDEVIL@yabbs To: TARDIS@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Fri Mar 4 08:29:29 1994 DOS is a pain, but it's all some of us have. So back off! From GPF@yabbs Fri Mar 4 11:08:53 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Attention All! Date: Fri Mar 4 11:08:53 1994 hiya cos.... i'd recommend tgif or lucid emacs, theyre both fairly good word processing packages, although tgif prints out shit on my printer... l8r gpf From cosmos@yabbs Fri Mar 4 12:55:11 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: NJDEVIL@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Fri Mar 4 12:55:11 1994 What is this?? Take a sedative for christ's sake. If you get this uptight over a damn operating system you need some serious counseling. I suggest some Thorazine. Cosmos From GreyWolf@yabbs Fri Mar 4 13:25:54 1994 From: GreyWolf@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Fri Mar 4 13:25:54 1994 I have to agree with cosmos... DOS may be all you have ... in fact at the moment it is all *I* have.. but.. that doesn't mean it is better. I'm not a DOS basher... the only think that I *PERSONALLY* like to bash is..... those wonderful things called Macintoshes.. :) From GreyWolf@yabbs Fri Mar 4 13:29:58 1994 From: GreyWolf@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: netbsd Date: Fri Mar 4 13:29:58 1994 I'm sorry, this message is directed to htoaster *AND* cosmos.. thanks guys. Salutations: GreyWolf Thought for the day: disk quotas suck. Talk amongst ye'selves. From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Mar 4 14:56:33 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: NJDEVIl@yabbs Subject: DOS bashing Date: Fri Mar 4 14:56:33 1994 take a chill pill dude, I am stuck using dos also....even though i don't like it. NASA regulations suck! From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:41:10 1994 From: NJDEVIL@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: linux Date: Fri Mar 4 16:41:10 1994 I are ok, Just funnin!!! :-) From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:41:56 1994 From: NJDEVIL@yabbs To: GreyWolf@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Fri Mar 4 16:41:56 1994 never sai d it was better, just tired of the abuse!! :-) From JasonLee@yabbs Fri Mar 4 18:12:04 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: GreyWolf@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Fri Mar 4 18:12:04 1994 GreyWolf said: the only think that I *PERSONALLY* like to bash is..... those wonderful things called Macintoshes. -------------------------- Actually, Macintoshes won't be that bad once they release the PowerMacs and fix up System7 so it includes pre-epmtive multitasking and memory protection. Those are kinda big things, so it'll probably be a while. A lot of Mac software is really good, though, graphicswise. JasonLee From GreyWolf@yabbs Sat Mar 5 02:18:34 1994 From: GreyWolf@yabbs To: NJDEVIL@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Sat Mar 5 02:18:34 1994 Oh, ok... I was just checkin'..... BTW, check out the Free Association, to check my current state of sobriety... ;) GreyWolf From GreyWolf@yabbs Sat Mar 5 02:21:51 1994 From: GreyWolf@yabbs To: JasonLee@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Sat Mar 5 02:21:51 1994 Ah! I see you are already on a sedative? Perhaps you like the slow motion of a Macintosh? Perhaps you like to be passified by the wonderful *IDIOTIC PROOF* Mac, with a wonderful double click system? Oh, maybe it is the fact that you can't figure out a *REAL* OS, and figure that you can move a mouse around so therefor can figure a Mac out? Ok, I'm done... BTW, check out Free Association to check my current sobriety level... ;) *Big mother of a grin* Peace out.. GreyWolf From cosmos@yabbs Sun Mar 6 14:43:39 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: GreyWolf@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Sun Mar 6 14:43:39 1994 I know my way around a computer asswipe and I happen to like MACS for what I do with them. Dont go starting religous comp wars becasue YOU will lose tops down. Get a real OS?? Like wgat DOS?? Because I guarantee that is all you know from what I have seen. Frankly, you don't know shit to post that kind of lame ass message bashing JasonLee who knows alot more than your sorry ass. Get a clue Cosmos From NJDEVIL@yabbs Sun Mar 6 22:46:10 1994 From: NJDEVIL@yabbs To: GreyWolf@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Sun Mar 6 22:46:10 1994 Gah!! looks like your current level of sobriety is 0. :-) NJD From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Mar 6 23:19:17 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: GreyWolf@yabbs Subject: re: sedative Date: Sun Mar 6 23:19:17 1994 GreyWolf, fairly inebriated, blurted out: Ah! I see you are already on a sedative? Perhaps you like the slow motion of a Macintosh? Perhaps you like to be passified by the wonderful *IDIOTIC PROOF* Mac, with a wonderful double click system? Oh, maybe it is the fact that you can't figure out a *REAL* OS, and figure that you can move a mouse around so therefor can figure a Mac out? ------------------------------------------------------- Oo! That's not very nice! ;) Well, I was talking about improvements to the Mac. It would not be slow motion with a PowerPC chip running things, and the OS wouldn't be quite as shitty with the addition of pre-emptive mtasking and mem protection. The interface is not great, but it's better than MS-windows, a little more polished at least. What I use nearly all the time is OS/2 2.11, which pretty much is a real OS, and which I like a LOT. I'm familiar with a command line, too, cuz I play with UNIX quite a bit. In fact, I'm probably less familiar with the Mac than with anything else. Now, are we going to get into an rgument over the REALness of OS/2? Ah, religion! JasonLee smilies sold separately From statix@yabbs Wed Mar 9 18:45:46 1994 From: statix@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: detecting SU'ing Date: Wed Mar 9 18:45:46 1994 anyone got the best way to tell if someone is running a program while they are su'ed into another account (i.e. root su's to my account to run some of my programs (so I can't pull an if (!getuid()) raise_hell type deal) would stat()ing the tty the person is running the program from and comparing the owner of it with the uid of the person running the program let me know? If anyone has any suggestions for the best way to do this, please lemme know. statix From rattler@yabbs Thu Mar 10 08:35:34 1994 From: rattler@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Attention All! Date: Thu Mar 10 08:35:34 1994 For writing papers, with all the jiggety-thingijamigs of math&science stuff, you will problably want TeX. You'll problably want Emacs or XCoral, for writing them. There are loads of TeX manuals around, do an archie and see what you come up with. Most likely you're university (?) has some manual on TeX itself. From cosmos@yabbs Thu Mar 10 11:19:06 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: rattler@yabbs Subject: re: Attention All! Date: Thu Mar 10 11:19:06 1994 In message re: Attention All!, rattler said: > For writing papers, with all the jiggety-thingijamigs of math&science > stuff, you will problably want TeX. You'll problably want Emacs or > XCoral, for writing them. There are loads of TeX manuals around, do > an archie and see what you come up with. Most likely you're university > (?) has some manual on TeX itself. > I have TeX, it's a nice tool. GPF steered me to an X site with some word processors, I have Emacs and all that stuff. Ill have to check out the word proccessors in X. basically I didnt want to have to import and export alot. Ie, write it in a word processor and print it. Of course I can always do this. ed file cat file > /dev/lp ;) From Fastjack@yabbs Sat Mar 12 20:01:29 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: statix@yabbs Subject: re: detecting SU'ing Date: Sat Mar 12 20:01:29 1994 Hmmmm... Looks like that would be the best way, given that SU forks off another shell with effective and real uid set to your uid...at least on my system :) If anyone can think of something better, fill me in.. l8r FJ From Hellion@yabbs Tue Mar 15 20:03:49 1994 From: Hellion@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: SLIP/PPP Date: Tue Mar 15 20:03:49 1994 Does anyone know much about SLIP or PPP connections? I am interested in running some windows applications via WinSock Trumpet *the shareware one that uses SLIP to connect* My problem lies here : The administrator on the system I use doesn't seem to want to set up to run SLIP connections *or PPP for that matter* Anyhow what my interest is, is HOW can I get a connection to run slip without it being set up. Can it be done? I have tried compiling the versions out there and running them from my account and had no luck *the readme's say something about recompiling the kernel and that is hard to do with only student priviliges* Is there any way that this can be done? If not is there somewhere I can telnet to that does support it? I have been trying to get this to work for about 4 months, and I never did hear back from my SysAdmin :-( Please send any suggestions to : sad8390@nebrwesleyan.edu I just got on this bbs and don't know how often I will check the bases. Thanx in advance Hellion From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Mar 16 13:41:04 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: Hellion@yabbs Subject: re: SLIP/PPP Date: Wed Mar 16 13:41:04 1994 Well, first of all, what kind of serial connection are you using to connect? What process of connections do you go through in order to log in? I know I'd like to have a SLIP setup, but since the connections here are screwy, I don't think it's possible. Here, I'm attached to things via a 19.2 serial connection, but I have to do this one part where I choose which system to connect to, and that would probably mess up the slip thing, since the first menu can't handle multiple connections from the same source. Anyway, good luck slipping. JasonLee From ASM_God@yabbs Wed Mar 16 21:04:26 1994 From: ASM_God@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: MUDs... Date: Wed Mar 16 21:04:26 1994 I'm thinking of setting up a dial-up system running under (BSD/Linux) which offers multi-user chat and local MUD access. Which OS do you think is better suited to running MUDs? I've seen alot of MUDs for Linux, but I'm having trouble finding any for BSD. In the past, I've always liked BSD, but lately, I'm being driven towards Linux because of its MUDabilities. . Lates. From skippy@yabbs Wed Mar 16 21:49:34 1994 From: skippy@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: ethernet for an RT Date: Wed Mar 16 21:49:34 1994 well.... i got an RT for my club on campus... all i need now, is an ethernet card... anybody know where i can get one? cheap....... i think the RT's ethernet card was made by ungerman-bass... also, do you know if it will do AUI/10BASE5/ThickNet? thanx --skip From dmonger@yabbs Wed Mar 16 22:40:37 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: ASM_God@yabbs Subject: re: MUDs... Date: Wed Mar 16 22:40:37 1994 You can get the tinymush code to compile for BSD ... i got it compiled for my NetBSD system. -peter From Vmax!@yabbs Thu Mar 17 18:31:38 1994 From: Vmax!@yabbs To: ASM_God@yabbs Subject: re: MUDs... Date: Thu Mar 17 18:31:38 1994 most of them work under BSD. most of them are written for BSD. The one I used was Lambda moo (mud object oriented). the problem with that is that it keeps the database in memory, and can grow large easily. Things like lpmud keep the database on disk. If you have less than 64 megabytes of physical memory, you probably want a disk based mud. From Fastjack@yabbs Thu Mar 17 20:05:35 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: Hellion@yabbs Subject: re: SLIP/PPP Date: Thu Mar 17 20:05:35 1994 Hey.... I happen to know about packet-driving over serial lines. First- I have seen *no* implementations of SLIP or PPP that don't require either a kernal rebuild or loadable module (a la Solaris). These usually have a daemon running to handle the connection. The lines are usually connected to a term server that is dedicated to PPP/SLIP instead of one with a menu that is usually used for terminal access. It could be run with a serial board in the server though. It requires quite a bit of setup to do on the server end... If you can't get the sysadmin to do it, it won't get done. I know of at least one school that offers SLIP access 24-7 on a dedicated 14.4 modem. Depending on where in Maryland he is, JasonLee might be interested. They charge $40/month and access is, of course, limited to non-commercial use :) Fastjack From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Mar 17 20:49:04 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: SLIP/PPP Date: Thu Mar 17 20:49:04 1994 Ah, see that $40 a month doesn't sound too nice! :) I think I can deal with the primitive system here for free without too much pain. If they did set things up for SLIP, I'd then have to buy some nice expensive software to go along with it (TCP/IP for OS/2 and Lan Manager for OS/2, and I think I could get both for $250). Besides, I won't be living on campus next year, so I guess I'll just have to wait till the cable company offers Ethernet connection. I'll have my own site, and I'll give you all accounts on it! :) JasonLee From yLord@yabbs Fri Mar 18 01:15:09 1994 From: yLord@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: 56K Hardware.. Date: Fri Mar 18 01:15:09 1994 ^ Jesus. My name is screwed. Hey, anyone know where I can pick up some cheap 56K hardaware. THe phone company is charging outrageous lease prices. Used equipt is fine. Thanks. From feotus@yabbs Fri Mar 18 18:42:33 1994 From: feotus@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: SLIP/PPP Date: Fri Mar 18 18:42:33 1994 Why not just run a term server/client thing on your own account and just go thru the trouble of settin gup the desired protocol. I know that they have IRC clients, FTP, Telnet etc.. ovr term connections already set up. As a matter of fact a freind of mine runs a little box that you can telnet too thru a term connection using "tredir" which is a term client that captures a port number on the host. You have to have Unix on both ends to use it, so tuff shit if your on a messyDOS box. Shooot, I have even seen where you can recieve and deliver mail and all thru a term connection, but for those you need sysadmins permission. But if your just gonna have a few people telnet to or FTp to your box then use term, cause you wont need to notifythe sysop, since all the stuff is on your account. term for linux is at ftp.cdrom.com, and also ftp.funet.fi i believe. From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Mar 20 13:09:27 1994 From: buzzbomb@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: linux, X11 Date: Sun Mar 20 13:09:27 1994 Does anyone have any tips for setting up X under linux? i'm just starting to try to set it up but haven't been too successful. So far what happens is the gray background comes up, and I can see the mouse cursor, and that's it. if i move the mouse around a lot the cursor will jump around, but it's movements don't seem related to how i move the mouse! (?) i know the mouse is set up right cause selection works ok between terminals. my video card is a diamond speedstar pro, and i've used the timing setups from teh sample Xconfig...? From GPF@yabbs Sun Mar 20 13:50:02 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: buzzbomb@yabbs Subject: re: linux, X11 Date: Sun Mar 20 13:50:02 1994 In message linux, X11, buzzbomb said: > Does anyone have any tips for setting up X under linux? i'm just > starting to try to set it up but haven't been too successful. So far > what happens is the gray background comes up, and I can see the mouse > cursor, and that's it. if i move the mouse around a lot the cursor > will jump around, but it's movements don't seem related to how i move > the mouse! (?) i know the mouse is set up right cause selection works > ok between terminals. my video card is a diamond speedstar pro, and i've > used the timing setups from teh sample Xconfig...? i think i read somewhere that diamonds don't work in linux.... the manufacturer won't release the chip spex or something like that... try pressing crtl-alt-+ repeatedly.. if that doesn't work... buy another card.... l8r... gpf From Vmax!@yabbs Sun Mar 20 17:25:47 1994 From: Vmax!@yabbs To: buzzbomb@yabbs Subject: re: linux, X11 Date: Sun Mar 20 17:25:47 1994 X386 uses an Xconfig file in lib/X11 to configure the mouse. The terminal mouse program probably uses something else. therefore having one work doesn't mean the other will. From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Mar 20 17:29:16 1994 From: buzzbomb@yabbs To: Vmax!@yabbs Subject: re: linux, X11 Date: Sun Mar 20 17:29:16 1994 well see, in the Xconfig file, you put in config stuff for everything - the monitor, mouse, etc... and for the mouse device i have it set to the same one as i have selection set too, and it works ok for selection, so... and I'm getting some kind of display before it locks so I don't think the card will make it *impossible* to use. i might try it with a different card if i can; i've tried the normal VGA server also, with no success From washbord@yabbs Mon Mar 21 02:24:38 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: BSD vs. Linux. Date: Mon Mar 21 02:24:38 1994 Okay, am I crazy to hook NetBSD up to a 56K line? Will BSD be stable enough to run a multiuser system under extremely grueling conditions? Or should I fork out a couple thousand for some commercial Unix? I've been very pleased with BSD but I'm scared of having it choke out on me. From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 21 05:33:21 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: BSD vs. Linux. Date: Mon Mar 21 05:33:21 1994 In message BSD vs. Linux., washbord said: > Okay, am I crazy to hook NetBSD up to a 56K line? Will BSD be stable > enough to run a multiuser system under extremely grueling conditions? Or > should I fork out a couple thousand for some commercial Unix? I've been > very pleased with BSD but I'm scared of having it choke out on me. > > Hmmmm....what do you think yabbs is running on?? Why, BSD!! BSD is a very stable networking OS and you should have minimal problems. As for grueling if you have heavy users or overhead I suggest mucho RAM and a fast processor. DOnt expect a 4 meg 386sx to do much. Commercial doesnt always mean better but it does offer a few nifty features like tech support for those not comfortable with their system and the ability to run commercial apps. I needed the commercial app ability for some work and I bought myself USL UNIX System V 4.2 for $160 and the C/Motif development suite for $89. I got all the standards with X and some nifty things like Open Look and Motif, I happen to love it but will not sit here and degrade linux or netBSD as worthless. They offer a very practical solution to students and otherwise poor people that cannot fork out the dollars for a commercial OS. I say you shouldnt have a big problem with netBSD. Ask Htoaster for the tech lowdown on BSD, he's the expert. ;) Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Mon Mar 21 09:11:16 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: BSD vs. Linux. Date: Mon Mar 21 09:11:16 1994 In message BSD vs. Linux., washbord said: > Okay, am I crazy to hook NetBSD up to a 56K line? Will BSD be stable > enough to run a multiuser system under extremely grueling conditions? Or > should I fork out a couple thousand for some commercial Unix? I've been > very pleased with BSD but I'm scared of having it choke out on me. nope. bsd is very stable with the proper hardware. if you're going to do this i would reccomend using scsi disks (something i need to upgrade to eventually) because the drivers for the adaptec 1542 card are much more stable than the drivers for ide cards, plus the adaptec card uses dma which makes it much faster in multitasking systems. i know of a public access internet site that uses netbsd to run their news system and nfs server with very little trouble. they've been running it since december, and usually get 30+ day uptimes. how many users do you plan on having on the system? what sort of hardware are you expecting to run? a 486/33 or 50 with 16 megs of memory, scsi disks (one gig or so) and a network connection could probably sustain quite a few users just fine. by comparison, phred is a 486sx/25, two ide disks (400 megs total), 16 megs of memory. i allow up to 20 yabbs users (used to allow more and have seen 35 or 40), plus people whom i've given private accounts to. i get pretty good stability (well, not over the past few days, but i've been doing some experimenting), and would get much better stability running w/ scsi (95% of my crashes have to do with the ide driver). alex From cosmos@yabbs Mon Mar 21 13:36:17 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: A small Little Thing Date: Mon Mar 21 13:36:17 1994 #!/sbin/sh #Copyright (c) 1990, 1991, 1992 UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. #Copyright (c) 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 AT&T # All Rights Reserved #THIS IS UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF #UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. #The copyright notice above does not evidence any #actual or intended publication of such source code. [Code Deleted] I just love those ATT headers. ;) Cosmos From washbord@yabbs Tue Mar 22 00:07:35 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: BSD... Date: Tue Mar 22 00:07:35 1994 I'm planning on setting up an 8 line dial-up system running on BSD and providing Inet access. The system will have 1GB HD, and 16 MB of RAM, running on a 486sx-33. The 56K hook-up hardware is very expensive. I can justify the CSU/DSUs at $400 US each, but how can the IP router be $1600 US! What makes the router so expensive? Do we really need a separate IP router? If we can't get the 56K hardware any cheaper, we'll be forced to downgrade to the >much< cheaper 28.8 hook-up. 56K monthly charges are becoming very reasonable, but the set-up costs are astronomical. Any ideas on how to lower them?? Also, is Phred's lag caused by its connection, or its hardware? What speed is the connection anyways? later. From cosmos@yabbs Tue Mar 22 10:33:33 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Tue Mar 22 10:33:33 1994 I would seriously reconsider the hardware choice. While you only have 8 users there and that is small, a local system here is running on a 486 66 with a 56k inet line with 32 megs memory and is godawful slow. Lag, lag, lag, lag.... With only 16 on a sx machine I am not confident in the overall performance...perhaps it wont matter with only 8 connections but when you add telnet users and perhaps 8 people runnning IRC things might get bogged down. Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Tue Mar 22 10:40:38 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Tue Mar 22 10:40:38 1994 In message BSD..., washbord said: > I'm planning on setting up an 8 line dial-up system running on BSD and > providing Inet access. The system will have 1GB HD, and 16 MB of RAM, > running on a 486sx-33. The 56K hook-up hardware is very expensive. I Hardware you will probably be okay, although you may opt for a faster CPU. Make sure you get a scsi disk as well, disk performance is much better with them, because they don't tie up the entire system during disk transactions. Sorry, I don't know a whole lot about 56k costs... > Also, is Phred's lag caused by its connection, or its hardware? What > speed is the connection anyways? Phred's connection is through ethernet to the campus T1, which I think is only one or two hops away from the backbone. The lag on phred is usually caused by one of three things: 1) i'm doing something on the machine that causes the loadavg to go high (i've seen it above 5). usually this isn't the case, and the loadavg hovers around .6 or .7. 2) yabbs uses character by character mode for i/o. this means that everything that you type is echoed back by my machine. the reason for this is that it makes it a lot easier to make a nice interface (like hotkeys, not having the input line get written over in talk, etc). this is mainly a problem for people telnetting from far away or through slow links. 3) our network has been in bad shape recently, and will sometimes drop my dorm for periods of about one minute. alex From TheDev@yabbs Tue Mar 22 13:00:59 1994 From: TheDev@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Tue Mar 22 13:00:59 1994 If you're going to invest in a 56kb inet connection, why not invest in a more robust processor.. like a 486dx266? Most of 'em will run at 80 MHz as a bonus. The Dev From htoaster@yabbs Tue Mar 22 18:29:23 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: TheDev@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Tue Mar 22 18:29:23 1994 blah, i wouldn't reccomend pushing processors at all. esp if you are going to run a unix os, where having the extra speed probably wouldn't be that useful, and the extra chance of having instructions misexecute could cause greater havoc...unlike dos unix doesn't spend most of its time in idle loops waiting for you to hit a key. alex From Fastjack@yabbs Tue Mar 22 20:00:33 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: Net connecttion Date: Tue Mar 22 20:00:33 1994 Hola... I don't know how much your connection will be a month; our best quote was a little less than a grand. Hookup is is goddawful....in my opinion, T56 is not the most bang for the buch. The CSU/DSU price sounds okay; look into decicating a messy-DOS machine with special software in place of the router. If not, I recommend the Cisco :). Don't forget the little things: ethernet, hub if necessary, term server/digicard, etc. it all adds up quickly. I am in the same boat. I'd be interested in hearing more about your loc. and setup... FJ ps: Anyone got any T1 CSU/DSU's they need rid of? Oh, yeah, almost forgot: If your goin' full commercial, they make ya pay through the nostrils if they can get away with it...:) From Vmax!@yabbs Tue Mar 22 21:01:17 1994 From: Vmax!@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Tue Mar 22 21:01:17 1994 besides you can by 4x clocked 486s these days... From TheDev@yabbs Wed Mar 23 02:37:37 1994 From: TheDev@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Wed Mar 23 02:37:37 1994 Well, I keep the temperature of the chip WELL below the Intel specified limit of 85 degrees C. I've been running it at 80 MHz since last June, and it has never crashed once. I even run it in a highly unfriendly environment - an unairconditioned fraternity house. Of course, I wouldn't run an Internet service off of it (I'd get real machines for that) but it works very well for personal use. I can't wait to sell it and get a DX4-100 and see how high it goes. BTW, I saw an ad in the April Comp Shopper (p. 136) for a 90 MHz Pentium. My question is, since the current Pentiums run external and internal bus speeds the same, how did they get a motherboard to run at 90 MHz? That would be no minor accomplishment. The Dev From washbord@yabbs Thu Mar 24 15:40:12 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Thu Mar 24 15:40:12 1994 I've been told that one should opt for a faster bus over a faster processor when it comes to setting up an online system. I mean how much overhead can 8 (to 16) put on a system anyways?? Also, what do I need to "make my own" IP router? The damn thing costs like $1600! It's a freaking box. It costs more than a new system! When you say that 56K isn't the best bang for the buck, I think you may be right. We are seriously considering running a 28.8 line instead of the 56K. The 28.8 line is only $400 (CDN) per month. It doesn't have any of the horrific costs associated with 56K (ie: $848/mo., Leased lines, CSU/DSU, Routers, Lease line monthly charges--$200+/mo.). We are just worried that 28.8 won't be powerful enough when we want to expand. What do you think? Also, has anyone had any experience with satellite Usenet feeds. The systems cost under $500 and look very interesting. Any comments? Later. From htoaster@yabbs Thu Mar 24 17:32:16 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Thu Mar 24 17:32:16 1994 A high speed bus isn't go to buy you a whole lot under BSD, with the exception of a faster disk controller. However the extra cost of an EISA motherboard plus a 1742 (eisa scsi controller) probably won't be worth it. The main thing that high speed busses really help in is video, but since I doubt that you'll be running X on the thing (or even have anything more than a mono card in it) I wouldn't worry about it. You can get vesa and eisa ide controllers that are faster, but i wouldn't run ide in the system if i were you (all of the recent crashes on phred have been related to the ide system in the machine and bad interactions between ide, the system, multiple ide drives, and the somewhat lacking ide driver in free/netbsd). IDE is also much slower under multitasking systems, unless someone sells a DMA based IDE card at this point... alex From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Mar 24 23:32:14 1994 From: JasonLee@yabbs To: Vmax!@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Thu Mar 24 23:32:14 1994 4x? I thought that the DX4 was only 3x... Intel is pretty lame... JasonLee From washbord@yabbs Sat Mar 26 23:49:36 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Adaptek.. Date: Sat Mar 26 23:49:36 1994 Hey, when I buy a >clone< SCSI card what Adaptek model should it be compat. with? lat. From htoaster@yabbs Sun Mar 27 06:20:22 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: Adaptek.. Date: Sun Mar 27 06:20:22 1994 In message Adaptek.., washbord said: > Hey, when I buy a >clone< SCSI card what Adaptek model should it be > compat. with? Adaptec 1542, I think preferably a revision B or C. You might want to post this question on comp.os.386bsd.questions. alex From washbord@yabbs Mon Mar 28 03:21:07 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: Boards.. Date: Mon Mar 28 03:21:07 1994 Okay, I've got to set up a really basic dial-up chat/DL system in BSD. This time I'm using 8 lines, 8MB, 340 MB HD, 4 2400s, 4 14.4s. Oh yeah, I need to hook up a Panasonic 562B ROM drive to the system too. What kind of performance can I expect with a 486 sx-33? Remember this is only running Chat and DLs. Very basic. Is this adequate?? Thanks. Yeah, basic'ly, I wanna run Phred on phone lines... From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Mar 28 11:44:42 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: JasonLee@yabbs Subject: Dx4's and such Date: Mon Mar 28 11:44:42 1994 In message re: BSD..., JasonLee said: > 4x? I thought that the DX4 was only 3x... > Intel is pretty lame... Hehehe, or 2.5 times. Their marketing guys are really stooping... Actually, Intel processors have some pretty good bang for the buck-- into this I include 'DX4' chips and other 486's, but not the overhyped 586 'pentium'. Intel loses a wad of cash everytime they shove one of those out the door-- they make it up with the mainstream 486's... FJ From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Mar 28 12:02:59 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: BSD... Date: Mon Mar 28 12:02:59 1994 In message re: BSD..., washbord said: > I've been told that one should opt for a faster bus over a faster > processor > when it comes to setting up an online system. I mean how much overhead > can > 8 (to 16) put on a system anyways?? Not sure about that, but it is my understanding that PC boxes tend to be lacking in hardware contexts, which is directly related to the number of processes (i/o streams???) that you can run concurrently. Now, since it's online, you can comment about 1/3 or so of the daemons out of the rc files and save some processor and process numbers there. I mean, why does someone dialed in need to use lpd, except as a security hole? This is assuming you aren't using the machine as your primary box, or something... > Also, what do I need to "make my own" IP router? The damn thing costs > like $1600! It's a freaking box. It costs more than a new system! I believe there exists software to turn a PC/ DOS with 2 network cards into a router. This may not be the best solution; the machine costs money if it isn't already lying around (and who can't find a cheap 486 with a small HD and mono VGA?) and if the software isn't PD that would probably put over the top in terms of expense....just a possibility. > When you say that 56K isn't the best bang for the buck, I think you may > be right. We are seriously considering running a 28.8 line instead of the > 56K. The 28.8 line is only $400 (CDN) per month. It doesn't have any of Well, actually I was talking about a T1. We were quoted, for a T1, twice the price of a 56. Then there is 30x the bandwidth (56kbps v. 1.54 mbps) and alot of room for growth. You have to figure-- If we had to go to t1 from 56, we would have spent enough in installation just to get it to begin with-- same story with 2 56's. Then you have spent enough for a T1, and got one fifteenth the capacity... > the horrific costs associated with 56K (ie: $848/mo., Leased lines, > CSU/DSU, > Routers, Lease line monthly charges--$200+/mo.). We are just worried that > > 28.8 won't be powerful enough when we want to expand. What do you think? If you mean a SLIP/PPP connection by 28.8 modem....not bad. Installation from your point of view should be minimal. Hell, as far as that goes, multiple 28.8's might be a possibility if your service provider wasn't so steep... Just remember; once you've got a cable strung to your house by Ameritech or whoever, you gotta use that line for quite some time to justify the installation costs....and then you gotta have a machine to use all the bandwidth.. Catch-22. Gotta have the most bang for the buck on line charges, then you end up having to grab a machine that can handle hundreds of connections at once, and then....... Sorry for the diatribe. Just working out some frustration :) How many providers are in your area? At least a few with POP's around here. Some of them have crappy rates. Shop around if it's at all possible.... Update me how the bit with the 28.8 modems go....I have heard inconsistent stuff about Rockwell and Hayes 28.8 serial flow. Something about not being able to do DTE/DCE speeds over 38.4 or something... L8r FJ From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Mar 28 12:07:17 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: Boards.. Date: Mon Mar 28 12:07:17 1994 In message Boards.., washbord said: > Okay, I've got to set up a really basic dial-up chat/DL system in BSD. > This time I'm using 8 lines, 8MB, 340 MB HD, 4 2400s, 4 14.4s. Oh yeah, I Man. I don't know if it would be worth it to use a cheap term server for the modems, but that would offload alot of the connection cpu time. Scratch that....are you using an intelligent serial card? Also, 16 MB might be worth it. Depends-- if you are allowing shell access, people can have a hell of alot of mem usage. *especially* emacs users :) FJ From Hellion@yabbs Mon Mar 28 23:14:33 1994 From: Hellion@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: A few Unix questions... Date: Mon Mar 28 23:14:33 1994 Okay here is one for all of you Linux gurus out there... What exactily is term? From what I hear it is *similar* to a SLIP type connection? Anyhow has anyone heard of a ported version of this for dos? I know you ask why not just go linux myself? well I have a Compaq Deskpro 386s/20 with 4 meg of ram and a 105 meg hardcard II, not quite the system for it I don't believe. #2, does anyone know much about mime? I got a file encoded VIA mime and have no clue how to deal with it. I have heard meta-mail mentioned, is this the way? Well thanx in advance. -- Hellion From cosmos@yabbs Tue Mar 29 10:10:15 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Hellion@yabbs Subject: re: A few Unix questions... Date: Tue Mar 29 10:10:15 1994 Term is an interesting little piece of code that is fun to play with, I have not messed with it much but it is definately a cheap, free alternative to SLIP/PPP if you are broke. I understand that people can telnet to your machine via a port on the host machine. Your system should run linux fine, maybe a bit cramped for disk space and X might not be fun to run but hell get that dos shit off there. Cosmos From washbord@yabbs Wed Mar 30 01:22:42 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: Boards... Date: Wed Mar 30 01:22:42 1994 About the 56K line. Man, I live in Canada, there is only one provider and his price is $800+ per month. I think we have to go with 28.8 Optimas. My other project: I gotta set some teenager up with a Well calibre system on a tiny budget. This kid wants an 8 line chat/MUD, DL system running on a DX2/66 w/ 8 MB, 340MB HD, 4 internal 14.4s, and 4 external 2400s hooked up via a 4 port serial board. I pretty well convinced that it can be done but I'm really iffy about the compatibility of ther serial board and the >ugh< Panasonic 562B non-SCSI CD-ROM drive! Ewww. What do you think? I'm really worried about compatibiliyt problems. What I really need is a nice NetBSD manual. Later. From Fastjack@yabbs Wed Mar 30 16:35:25 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: Boards... Date: Wed Mar 30 16:35:25 1994 In message Boards..., washbord said: > About the 56K line. Man, I live in Canada, there is only one provider and > his price is $800+ per month. I think we have to go with 28.8 Optimas. I really haven't looked at the 28.8 route. My first quote for 56 was $800/month, too; I haven't looked for better because t1 is only twice as much. I'm into serial communications; I'd like to know how it goes. Esp. The modems themselves-- thinking about a 28.8 PPP line for my (and a couple friends) use... > My other project: I gotta set some teenager up with a Well calibre > system on a tiny budget. This kid wants an 8 line chat/MUD, DL system > running on a DX2/66 w/ 8 MB, 340MB HD, 4 internal 14.4s, and 4 external > 2400s hooked up via a 4 port serial board. I pretty well convinced that > it can be done but I'm really iffy about the compatibility of ther serial > board and the >ugh< Panasonic 562B non-SCSI CD-ROM drive! Ewww. What do > you think? I'm really worried about compatibiliyt problems. I *really* don't like proprietary CD-ROM interfaces. How strapped for cash is he? BTW, I think you mentioned a Canadian (French???) BBS package for Unix-- I would like to hear of any that have good support for file transfers- looking for something as quick and reliable as the dime-a-dozen MS-DOS BBS's for file transfers.. > What I really need is a nice NetBSD manual. Have you asked Alex about this? Tell us how it pans out... l8r FJ From skippy@yabbs Fri Apr 1 18:28:32 1994 From: skippy@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: term.... Date: Fri Apr 1 18:28:32 1994 Term is actually pretty cool... :) i use it.... it basically gives you everything that SLIP gives you, without actually giving you IP. all you need is unix on both ends.... i use it mainly for mulitple sessions.... but you can set it up to send and recievve mail.. read news... and run X stuf over the connection you can also redirect ports on the remote machine to yours..... ie. tredir remote 4000 local 23 so that ppl can telnet to 4000 on the remote machine adn get hook to yours.... i know someone who is running a bbs over a 14.4 modem link that way... kinda slow... but it works... :) --skip From johndeer@yabbs Sat Apr 2 02:20:04 1994 From: johndeer@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: term.... Date: Sat Apr 2 02:20:04 1994 is this PC running an ISA bus? will it be able to handle the bandwidth or 4*2400 + 4*14400? keep taht in mind too.. i'm not too sure how teh serial card you're tlaking about works, but you may want to check on that.. johnDeere From htoaster@yabbs Sat Apr 2 11:45:10 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: johndeer@yabbs Subject: re: term.... Date: Sat Apr 2 11:45:10 1994 In message re: term...., johndeer said: > is this PC running an ISA bus? will it be able to handle the bandwidth or > 4*2400 + 4*14400? keep taht in mind too.. i'm not too sure how teh serial > card you're tlaking about works, but you may want to check on that.. an ISA bus should be able to handle that pretty easily if you use serial ports with 16550's (they are buffered, and thus will only send out an interrupt for every x bytes received, where (1 < x < 16), which cuts down on the amount of time spent in interrupt handlers by a ton). even without them it would probably be able to handle it okay, there just might be a higher load on the system. alex From Offe@yabbs Sun Apr 3 12:23:27 1994 From: Offe@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: Stopping text output? Date: Sun Apr 3 12:23:27 1994 Hello, sorry for a stupid question, but is there a way to stop output of a long text (at the prompt)? From htoaster@yabbs Sun Apr 3 12:33:48 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Offe@yabbs Subject: re: Stopping text output? Date: Sun Apr 3 12:33:48 1994 In message Stopping text output?, Offe said: > Hello, > > sorry for a stupid question, but is there a way to stop output of a > long text (at the prompt)? not at this point. In most of the places where you could get a whole bunch of text dumped at once I've tried to run it through a pager, so that you could stop it easily, but the message bases is one place where this hasn't happened yet. basically comes from a modified version of puts that counts how many lines have been printed, and when it reaches a certain number it pauses. anytime there is input the counter gets reset, so it effectivly puts paging onto everything. the problem is that there isn't a way to tell the pager when one operation started and the previous one (that you want to skip) stopped. alex From Offe@yabbs Sun Apr 3 12:40:54 1994 From: Offe@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Stopping text output? Date: Sun Apr 3 12:40:54 1994 In message re: Stopping text output?, htoaster said: > the problem is that there isn't a way to tell the pager when one operation > started and the previous one (that you want to skip) stopped. How about allowing one character for non-stop scrolling? (= or whatever), that shouldn't be impossible to implement? I guess you reset the counter for puts at every new text that's being printed, ie, at the same time the "nonstop" flag is cleared if you've set it earlier? (haven't looked at the source, I'll do so when I get home to my Linux-box...) From htoaster@yabbs Sun Apr 3 14:27:46 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Offe@yabbs Subject: re: Stopping text output? Date: Sun Apr 3 14:27:46 1994 > How about allowing one character for non-stop scrolling? (= or whatever), > that shouldn't be impossible to implement? yeah, i could do that. i would have to reset the counter the next time a key is being checked for. alex From htoaster@yabbs Sun Apr 3 14:33:03 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Stopping text output? Date: Sun Apr 3 14:33:03 1994 In message re: Stopping text output?, htoaster said: > > How about allowing one character for non-stop scrolling? (= or whatever), > > that shouldn't be impossible to implement? > > yeah, i could do that. i would have to reset the counter the next time a key > is being checked for. okay, its been done. i'll get it out in the next client, or if you want to do it in your own change the line in yabbs/miscutil.c that says: fgetc(stdin); line = 1; to if (fgetc(stdin) != '=') line = 1; also, its in the client that runs if you login as bbs on phred. alex From Offe@yabbs Sun Apr 3 14:49:04 1994 From: Offe@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Stopping text output? Date: Sun Apr 3 14:49:04 1994 In message re: Stopping text output?, htoaster said: > okay, its been done. i'll get it out in the next client, or if you want to > do it in your own change the line in yabbs/miscutil.c that says: > fgetc(stdin); line = 1; > to > if (fgetc(stdin) != '=') line = 1; Grreat! :-) -Offe From feotus@yabbs Sun Apr 3 15:06:07 1994 From: feotus@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: term ttelnet Date: Sun Apr 3 15:06:07 1994 I am running term and I can open multiple sessions etc.. but someone mentioned that you can straight telnet thru. Do you mean spawna remote shell than telnet, or do you mean just ttelnet. I cant seem to get it working. The other thing I am interested in is setting up a mail or newsfeed thru it. anyone know anything about how to go about that? I tried redirecting my news port to 119 on my host, but it refused connection, what I need to do is to redirect it to news.udel.edu 119 or some other public accesible newserver. That would help. From washbord@yabbs Sun Apr 3 20:43:35 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: Fastjack@yabbs Subject: Diku/Circle MUDs Date: Sun Apr 3 20:43:35 1994 Is anyone familiar with the operation of MUDs?I mean how portable is say, DIKU MUD? Can I just throw it on to a Linux system and have it work for dial-up users? Fastjack, are you setting up a dial-up service too? You might want to try this Linux board at 408-773-0768. I got the software for it but it seems kind of massive. I'm working on creating a a decent PC/Unix board to run under Linux. So far, it is going quite smoothly. THe only snag is the transfers. Right now, I'm letting users read the files off of a text file then using rz/sz to send them. Feels real sloppy!. I'd like to get some info on RipTerm. Got any sources? Later. From Fastjack@yabbs Mon Apr 4 11:54:02 1994 From: Fastjack@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: Diku/Circle MUDs Date: Mon Apr 4 11:54:02 1994 In message Diku/Circle MUDs, washbord said: > Is anyone familiar with the operation of MUDs?I mean how portable is say, > DIKU MUD? Can I just throw it on to a Linux system and have it work for > dial-up users? > I know of a couple LP MUDs that are running under Linux okay.. > Fastjack, are you setting up a dial-up service too? Er, not along the lines of what you have in mind. I appreciate hearing from anyone who wants to say something along these lines.. > You might want to try this Linux board at 408-773-0768. I got the Hmmmm. Thanks. > software for it but it seems kind of massive. I'm working on creating a a > decent PC/Unix board to run under Linux. So far, it is going > quite smoothly. THe only snag is the transfers. Right now, I'm > letting users read the files off of a text file then using rz/sz to send I'm not sure exactly how you are working this. Do you mean downloading the messages or any text files? rz/sz works pretty well once it's configured, but their are some places where it is not approproate. > them. Feels real sloppy!. I'd like to get some info on RipTerm. Got any > sources? Haven't seen RipTerm for Unix. There should be something out there.. If you have access to Usenet, ask around. If it's there, you should get a response... Fastjack From DocSic@yabbs Fri Apr 8 04:59:27 1994 From: DocSic@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: Diku/Circle MUDs Date: Fri Apr 8 04:59:27 1994 Are you trying to add Rip support for your board or trying to get Rip for Unix. There isn't any Rip for Unix now but there will be with RIP II. If you're trying to add RIP support I've got some info that I can give you or you can get it off the Telegrafix BBS. I think it's listed in the R IP for Dos manuals. There's no reason why you couldn't have RIP graphics on a Unix BBS but you'd have to draw all you're screens from Dos. The only hard part would be adding the auto detection. From washbord@yabbs Sun Apr 17 23:30:01 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: DocSic@yabbs Subject: re: Diku/Circle MUDs Date: Sun Apr 17 23:30:01 1994 RipTerm?? Man, is this thing any good? I mean why hasn't anyone created some sort of stripped down Xterminal for DOS users. RipTerm seems so pointless when compared to Xterm. Anyways, I'd loke to look at the dox. Thanks. From washbord@yabbs Thu Apr 21 00:04:05 1994 From: washbord@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: Chr by Chr mode.. Date: Thu Apr 21 00:04:05 1994 I'm trying unix programming for the first time and am having trouble reading single chars properly. I want to have a loop which prints chrs to the screen and stops if a key is hit. I've tried using fgetchar (fgetc) but the think waits until a key is hit and enter is pressed. Am I using the wrong funcs or what? While your at it... I need functions to read a single chr with no wait till key hit and the complimentary func which outputs chrs.. Thanks.. From skippy@yabbs Thu Apr 28 15:33:43 1994 From: skippy@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: IBM RT stuff Date: Thu Apr 28 15:33:43 1994 i remember a while back, there was a discussion about the IBM RT. Well, my club has just aquired one... and i'm looking for donations. if anyone knows of any extra RT stuff could be donated to us (its tax free) please let me know... mail me at ccallana@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu thanx --chris From buzzbomb@yabbs Fri Apr 29 09:36:54 1994 From: buzzbomb@yabbs To: washbord@yabbs Subject: re: Chr by Chr mode.. Date: Fri Apr 29 09:36:54 1994 i'm not sure how to quote here but... "i need functions to read a single chr with no wait till key hit and the complimentary func which outputs chrs..." huh? does that mean you want it to read in a char before the user inputs it? if you mean without an EOL after it, i think getch() in C, and cin.get() in C++ will do the job for char- by-char input. and then a while ((ch=cin.get())!='\n); to kill the rest of the line... cout.put(char ch) will output a char at a time in C++, is it putch(char ch) in standard C? i think so. hope that's what you needed. From Case@yabbs Mon May 9 01:40:44 1994 From: Case@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Which *nix? Date: Mon May 9 01:40:44 1994 Welp folks, this sumer I am finally upgrading to my dream machine.... so I want to run a good free Unix on it and yabbs :) I have heard about SO many differenet free Unix's out there... could you folks please help me figure out which one I should run....which one is more solid, more configurable, etc. etc..? PLEASE send replies to: stmille@ctp.org thanks! From cosmos@yabbs Mon May 9 10:54:05 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Case@yabbs Subject: re: Which *nix? Date: Mon May 9 10:54:05 1994 Here we go...draw the battle lines....its a religous flame war waiting to happen...;) Seriously, there really is not one "better" or "best" UNIX out there. It all depends on your taste and preference. Also, what you want to do has alot to do with what version/flavor UNIX you should use. Linux....not a bad flavor at all. Highly supported by its users and has plenty of add on features and all the standards of a sysv type unix. Problems: It caters to the low end market...ie, people who come from a non UNIX background like dos. ITs install is painlessly easy but they bundle everything under the sun with the kernel and all the utilities. Most of the time, I have spent stripping the not needed crap out of my kernel when I use it. FreeBSD: VERY solid, excellent PC unix. Ask HT about it as well. ITs about the same, not as much user support(ie, there arnt hundreds of kid son IRC to help you out), but the newsgroups and mailing lists take care of 98% of the problems you may encounter. It is not intended for the rank novice though ;) Its install is easy if you can read and follow directions but there is no nice menu system or other stuff. It has about the same number of utilities etc...but they are not included in the base install...you need to get them from the ports and packages directorys. To get either....FTP to: Linux ---> sunsite.unc.edu FreeBSD ---> freebsd.cdrom.com Have fun. Cosmos From lastus@yabbs Sun May 22 19:13:14 1994 From: lastus@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Maximus CBCS for unix/linux Date: Sun May 22 19:13:14 1994 Does someone know where i can get Maximus CBCS fot unix/linux? If you know, please emal me. Address bigwig@pcuf.fi Or you can reply to me, but i don't visit here often, n 's better way to email me. Thanx anyway.. :) From htoaster@yabbs Mon May 23 07:03:36 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: lastus@yabbs Subject: re: Maximus CBCS for unix/linux Date: Mon May 23 07:03:36 1994 i don't think that it has been ported to unix. last time i checked it was available for os/2 and ms-dos. it comes with c source code, so you could probably hack something out, although you'll probably be better off grabbing something like yabbs (or any other unix bbs software) that was designed for unix and use that. you might look at the unixbbs faq...ftp rtfm.mit.edu and look in pub/usenet alt.bbs.unixbbs (or something like that). alex From Lvx@yabbs Thu Jun 2 13:44:53 1994 From: Lvx@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: USE SCO!! Date: Thu Jun 2 13:44:53 1994 Hey all, Forget about that wimpy pile of crap called linux, who cares that it is free?? USE SCO UNIX!!! It is the best! Linux isnt fit to use the same HD as dos. If you want power move on over to where the power is...SCO UNIX. And to those of you BSD users....its a dead beast. Get off your old school, hacking techie asses and move up to where the powere is. SCO UNIX RULES!!! From feotus@yabbs Thu Jun 2 23:35:05 1994 From: feotus@yabbs To: Lvx@yabbs Subject: re: USE SCO!! Date: Thu Jun 2 23:35:05 1994 SCO? geesh, give this guy some lithium. one point aginst SCO in my current economic postition is that it costs money. Anotehr against it is that i don't get to fiddle faddle with the source code. Antoher one against it is that I don't have to buy as much new hardware to runLinux as I would to run SCO, r almost any other Uni. Also, Linux is mroe of my feel, the whole community things just gets me in the heart. Of course you could say almsot all the same things abot BSD too, which I havent hd a chance to play with but am open minded about, bieng it's free and all. oh well let's head this holy war off before it starts From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 3 00:53:01 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Lvx@yabbs Subject: re: USE SCO!! Date: Fri Jun 3 00:53:01 1994 In message re: USE SCO!!, feotus said: > SCO? > > geesh, give this guy some lithium. > > one point aginst SCO in my current economic postition is that it costs > money. Anotehr against it is that i don't get to fiddle faddle with the > source code. Antoher one against it is that I don't have to buy as much > new hardware to runLinux as I would to run SCO, r almost any other Uni. > Also, Linux is mroe of my feel, the whole community things just gets me in > the heart. Of course you could say almsot all the same things abot BSD > too, which I havent hd a chance to play with but am open minded about, > bieng it's free and all. Aye m8, SCO is not a very useable UNIX from my point either. Anything that costs around 1500 for a version with a C compiler with no source is not worth my time. I personally cant stand Linux, just cant use it without tearing my hair out. But Ill grant you the community stuff. Its free, it has source and its supported by better folks than any damn wankers at a tech support hotline. Although most linux users(#linux) strike me as a group of clueless idiots...mind you I am not talking about any one in specifics, mainly what I can witness on various forums discussing linux etc... Many of my friends and highly respected individuals swear by it. Preferences vary, deal with it. I personally am one of those "old school, techie hacker types" that use BSD. I mainly come from a system v background, have run many variants of sysv on many different platforms and have had no qualms, but BSD is still my #1 choice for a UNIX os. > > oh well let's head this holy war off before it starts Aye, dont mind wankers like that. Inbreeding is still a crime in some places... Cosmos From taegu@yabbs Sat Jun 4 04:24:22 1994 From: taegu@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: owner Date: Sat Jun 4 04:24:22 1994 Hey, I am looking for a way to change the owner of a file while useing FTP. I am currently working on a project that requires me to transfer data from one system to another (ti1500 UNIX to AIX UNIX) but the file has the wrong owner when it gets there. This is a process that must run automatically each night (while noone is around). This file is newly created every night. I have tried numerous things, but can't get them to work. No, I cant login as the user that it needs to belong to either, because some jerk set it up a screwy way and to change it would fuck up the whole system. Any suggestions? email me at: brown@jason.fc.peachnet.edu thanks -taegu From statix@yabbs Tue Jun 7 23:10:53 1994 From: statix@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: books for unix programming Date: Tue Jun 7 23:10:53 1994 Hi, just wondering what books people thought were pretty good for doing fairly low level unix programming (including sockets/rcp/tli type stuff). I have Steven's 'Advanced programming in the UNIX Environment', Rago's 'UNIX system V Network Programming', and a really lame book by Thomas Yeager. Any suggestions? If its for a specific platform, thats OK, I have access to most of them, and its nice to know what the differences are anyway. statix From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 7 23:47:26 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: statix@yabbs Subject: re: books for unix programming Date: Tue Jun 7 23:47:26 1994 In message books for unix programming, statix said: > Hi, > just wondering what books people thought were pretty > good for doing fairly low level unix programming > (including sockets/rcp/tli type stuff). I have Steven's > 'Advanced programming in the UNIX Environment', Rago's > 'UNIX system V Network Programming', and a really lame book > by Thomas Yeager. Any suggestions? If its for a specific platform, > thats OK, I have access to most of them, and its nice to know what > the differences are anyway. > Go with the O'reiley books. They are the best in my opinion, very easy to read and very thorough. What....man pages aren't enough? ;) Cosmos From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jun 8 12:27:06 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: books Date: Wed Jun 8 12:27:06 1994 I mostly use man pages and whatever cool source I can find on the net. For instance when writing yabbs I learned sockets by poking around in some socket stuff I found on the net (telnetd a lot, other stuff a bit), reading man pages, and for my first intro to them going to the library at school and photocopying a 10 page intro to sockets. I would highly reccomend a copy of "The Design and Implementation of 4.3BSD" though. It is pretty much the only computer book that I've kept in my collection since I've owned it, along with K&R (new testament). If you don't like man pages apparantly O'Reilly is making books of pretty much all of the 4.4BSD man pages, so you might invest in them. Gopher to gopher.ora.com and look around there. alex From statix@yabbs Thu Jun 9 22:54:23 1994 From: statix@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: used vt100s Date: Thu Jun 9 22:54:23 1994 htoaster- do you know of any companies that sell used computer equipment, I'd like to get my hands on a used vt100 term to plug into my linux box so my friends can play on it while I'm using it. Any ideas on what kind of prices they may be asking? statix From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 10 00:18:50 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: statix@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Fri Jun 10 00:18:50 1994 In message used vt100s, statix said: > htoaster- > do you know of any companies that sell used computer equipment, > I'd like to get my hands on a used vt100 term to plug into my > linux box so my friends can play on it while I'm using it. Any ideas > on what kind of prices they may be asking? > statix Try reading misc.forsale.computers.other and misc.forsale.computers.workstations post an ad asking for ones...you can usually get one for pretty cheap. I have 12 terminals, but those were given away by the college. ;) At school, we alternatively wire them from my dorm to the adjoining two rooms via drilled holes in the wall ;) The cables fit when Mine is in the corner and theirs face the incoming walls. Its nice...they are logged into my machine and can do virtually anything, even when I am not there. From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jun 10 12:40:56 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: statix@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Fri Jun 10 12:40:56 1994 look around at schools and companies. a lot of times you can pick up stuff for free if you ask. sometimes theey might just have broken stuff, but pulling the board out of one terminal and sticking it in another may get you a free terminal. alex From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 10 13:23:14 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Fri Jun 10 13:23:14 1994 In message re: used vt100s, htoaster said: > for free if you ask. sometimes theey might just have broken stuff, but > pulling the board out of one terminal and sticking it in another may get you > a free terminal. > Yep, this aproach works quite well, I am in the process of "negotiating" some sort of laptop/portable UNIX machine right now. Some sort of personal thing with a printer built in, floppy, external HD... Its from HP and it supposedly runs HP-UX from ROM...I have to see that. It also has a supposed C compiler...should be interesting. Cosmos From Zbadba@yabbs Fri Jun 10 16:30:15 1994 From: Zbadba@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Fri Jun 10 16:30:15 1994 Doncha love corporations? Right now I'm trying to get my hands on three old HP900 series workstations (oops, make that HP 9000 series). Two were CAD stations (one has a 17" monitor), and ther third was the file server. They don't need them any more, and no school in the area will take them, so if I'm lucky, I might be able to get them as "salvage" for 3 cents a pound. Right now they're running some bizzare proprietary OS (I truly have no Idea what it is, but it has a pascal compiler), but mayhaps I can install HP/UX on them and SLIP them to the unieversity. From statix@yabbs Fri Jun 10 23:48:56 1994 From: statix@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Fri Jun 10 23:48:56 1994 thanks for the info guys I asked the sysadmin at my school, he said he got a magazine every month that listed used stuff for sale, and would save the next copy for me. He also asked that I not steal one of theirs. :) also: DUMB SYSADMIN ACTION OF THE MONTH they replaced /usr/bin/finger with a script that doesn't start with a #! /bin/sh or anything, so when fingerd tries to exec() it, it fails. I wrote the sysadmin in charge of that stuff, but she has failed to respond. Can't believe some of these people get paid real money for extreme incompetence. (At least I figure if they can get a job, I will have no problem :) ) statix From buzzbomb@yabbs Sat Jun 11 00:08:23 1994 From: buzzbomb@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: question Date: Sat Jun 11 00:08:23 1994 how would one go about removing (and deleting all the files from) all directories that begin with a period? "rm -r .*" would wipe everything the user was authorized to wipe from the disk as far as i can tell (by deleting . and .., and everything beyond ..). "rm -r .??*" would solve that problem but what if there was a dir called ".a" ? I don't even know if this is possible with one command but someone asked me and got me curious. From GPF@yabbs Sat Jun 11 12:00:51 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: buzzbomb@yabbs Subject: re: question Date: Sat Jun 11 12:00:51 1994 rm -rf `ls -lA |egrep ^d |cut -b 56-80` i woulddn't trust that cut will use the exact same arguments as mine does because it seems to carry different command line switches on different systems *shrug* gpf From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:22:45 1994 From: Simurgh@yabbs To: statix@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Sat Jun 11 20:22:45 1994 VT100's? I have one or two that I use over here. Old things. DEC stopped offering support for them a few years back. You can find a bunch of companises that still have them, that will give them to you for free. These are the TRUE VT100's, not just something that emulates them. I know Scientific-Atlanta's corporate headquarters has a s***load of them still. -Simurgh From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:23:40 1994 From: Simurgh@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: o'reilly books. Date: Sat Jun 11 20:23:40 1994 Yah. They can be reached at ora.com, btw. -Simurgh From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:26:09 1994 From: Simurgh@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Sat Jun 11 20:26:09 1994 re: that HP system. Right. Don't a lot of the older HP's do that? Kinda like the older DEC systems that had operating system and all built in? It's nice, you turn it on and it's instantly ready to go. HP-UX, though? That's really wicked. There must be some sort of hard disk or something that stores config files , though. else it'd be a REAL b**** networking the thing. -Simurgh From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:31:40 1994 From: Simurgh@yabbs To: statix@yabbs Subject: re: used vt100s Date: Sat Jun 11 20:31:40 1994 re: Stupid sysadmin action of the month. Heh... Well, a lot of sysadmins by colleges and universities don't have much time to spend working on network connections. A lot of the time is spent getting library stuff to work right, and stuff along those lines. That's assuming they're even paid to be there full time. A few sysadmins of colleges that I know are paid part time, while a bunch of incompetent assistants work full-time. Real sysadmins and netadmins that know what they're doing and work well get paid a lot. 6-digits, where the first digit is often a multiple of 3.. :) But ignoring it when someone's nice enough to tell you about it is really bad, since you can lose data or something that sue the sysadmin, since you notified that person. The good way to get through, send a cc: to their boss. On the other hand, I've seen many people be accused of trying to take the network down, when all they were doing was reporting a bug. Some sysadmins think that anyone that knows the first thing about a network topology or something must be a hacker or something. *shrug* -Simurgh From Simurgh@yabbs Sat Jun 11 20:35:09 1994 From: Simurgh@yabbs To: buzzbomb@yabbs Subject: re: question Date: Sat Jun 11 20:35:09 1994 I'm pretty sure invoking 'rm -r .*' doesn't delete '.' or '..'. These filenames are usually only deleted when you create or remove a directory. But test before you try that. rm -r .* should delete all files and directories that are hidden using the .*, providing you have control over those files/directories. -Simurgh From GPF@yabbs Sun Jun 12 11:13:56 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: buzzbomb@yabbs Subject: re: question Date: Sun Jun 12 11:13:56 1994 shit..... make that: rm -rf `ls -lA |egrep ^d |cut -b 56-80 |egrep ^\.` gpf.... (who should learn not to post when he's half asleep, sheesh) From GPF@yabbs Sun Jun 12 11:16:12 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: Simurgh@yabbs Subject: re: question Date: Sun Jun 12 11:16:12 1994 nope, that'd delete all files that started with a . too.... he specifically said all directories starting with a . and the files in them l8r.. gpf From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Jun 12 14:02:10 1994 From: buzzbomb@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: question Date: Sun Jun 12 14:02:10 1994 thanks for the help... it was more of a curiosity question than something i really needed... From htoaster@yabbs Sun Jun 12 18:16:52 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: buzzbomb@yabbs Subject: re: question Date: Sun Jun 12 18:16:52 1994 rm -rf .[^.]* is a lot easier... alex From !@#asd@yabbs Mon Jun 13 08:43:58 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: Simurgh@yabbs Subject: sysadmin's Date: Mon Jun 13 08:43:58 1994 you know sysadmin that make 6 figure salaries? BULLSHIT! If they do show me the place. I know a CE for Wellfleet and he doesn't make 6 figures. If you know of some point in that dirrection. I would gladly get out of the space industry 6 figures (HAH) From cosmos@yabbs Mon Jun 13 18:00:47 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: re: sysadmin's Date: Mon Jun 13 18:00:47 1994 Kidd!!!!!!! hehe, anyhow, I know many sysadmins here in Chicago that make six figures. Course they are managmement level, but are essentially admins of multiple machines. Email me you wanker! ;) Cosmos From statix@yabbs Tue Jun 14 11:24:32 1994 From: statix@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: inetd & additional args Date: Tue Jun 14 11:24:32 1994 I have a question about additional arguments that need to be passed to certain daemons that are started from inetd. For something such as fingerd, how does the user argument get passed to it? Does it try and read a line of text from the socket containing args? when you finger user@host.domain, does your finger pass 'user\n' down the socket? if that is the case, then does it pass '\n' down if you 'finger !host.domain' I've tried looking in a few books, and the man pages, but they didn't have quite what I was looking for. Thanks for any tips. (woops , 3 lines up should read @host.domain) statix From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jun 14 13:09:27 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: statix@yabbs Subject: re: inetd & additional args Date: Tue Jun 14 13:09:27 1994 inet runs a program called fingerd, not finger. fingerd just reads stdin and takes the first line of it, passes that as an argument to finger, and exits when finger is done. inetd handles redirecting the socket as stdin/stdout for fingerd. You can get source code for all of bsd from a number of sites. Look around on ftp.uu.net for the BSD Net/2 source, or freebsd.cdrom.com in /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/libexec/fingerd for the fingerd source from FreeBSD (which is he same as the fingerd source in Net/2). alex From taegu@yabbs Tue Jun 14 17:29:23 1994 From: taegu@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: tar Date: Tue Jun 14 17:29:23 1994 I am looking for a way to retrieve a file to a different directory from where it was backed up from. I have tried unsuccessfully to use what the man pages suggest. This is using the "tar" command on a TI-1500 UNIX machine. Any thoughts, suggestions, or examples would be very much appreciated! I need to be able to retrieve a file without overwritting the existing "live" file. You can e-mail me at: brown@jason.fc.peachnet.edu or leave a message here I will check back periodically. Thanks From Sarlo@yabbs Wed Jun 15 13:55:59 1994 From: Sarlo@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Wed Jun 15 13:55:59 1994 Why does anyone want to use UNIX??? Its for retards who dont know what the modern trend in computers is. Those of us on the fast track use MS Windows and OS/2 to compute in the modern mainstream. UNIX is outdated and not user friendly. Any operating system that is not completely user friendly is not a good one. ANy operating system that doesnt completely rely on the graphical window interface is not good either. Stop using UNIX, Linux, whatever, move up to a more powerful and modern development platform. Windows or WIndows NT!! From GPF@yabbs Wed Jun 15 14:56:25 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: Sarlo@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Wed Jun 15 14:56:25 1994 hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh, this is too much, did it ever occur to you that without Unix you would still be at home inbreeding with the rest of your wanker family instead of on this board? did it ever occur to you that without unix there would BE no internet? no, it probably didn't did it? ah well, have a nice "life" -gpf From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jun 15 15:00:04 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Sarlo@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Wed Jun 15 15:00:04 1994 In message UNIX is for stupid people., Sarlo said: > > Why does anyone want to use UNIX??? Its for retards who dont know what > the modern trend in computers is. Those of us on the fast track use MS > Windows and OS/2 to compute in the modern mainstream. The fast track....yeah, to /dev/null > > UNIX is outdated and not user friendly. Any operating system that is not > completely user friendly is not a good one. ANy operating system that > doesnt completely rely on the graphical window interface is not good either. > So UNIX is not a good os because your stupid pathetic wanker arse can't make heads or tails of it?? I don't think so m8. As for the graphic interface shit.... > > Stop using UNIX, Linux, whatever, move up to a more powerful and modern > development platform. Windows or WIndows NT!! > Been blowing Bill Gates recently?? Fuck windows. Yet another clueless wanker posting drivel... From Xela@yabbs Wed Jun 15 15:26:00 1994 From: Xela@yabbs To: Sarlo@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Wed Jun 15 15:26:00 1994 You wouldn't happen to be getting a salary from a Mr. B. Gates, would you? From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jun 15 16:25:35 1994 From: Natalie@yabbs To: Sarlo@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Wed Jun 15 16:25:35 1994 idiot. although i do use windows, it's not by choice. my dad is a programmer and i use what he uses. it's cheaper taht way. and i don't have the time to learn an entire new os. i;m a very busy gal. but i do have a unix accoutn on the mainframe at school, and i am slowly but surely learning how to do things with it. i don't especially like user friendly anyhow...it's more fun to figure it out by yourself...buthey, that's just my opinion. natalie From Jeremiah@yabbs Wed Jun 15 17:47:17 1994 From: Jeremiah@yabbs To: Sarlo@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Wed Jun 15 17:47:17 1994 If Unix is so hard, then why do you need a GUI like Windows or DOS which dosen't even use the full compacity of your computer not to mention that is slooooow as hell... If Windows is the future of computers, I'll GLADLY stay here in the past..... Some people use computers for differnt things... Ever try multitasking under Windows??? It's as smart as going skinnydipping in shark infested waters... And DOS is just as bad... Jesus, you need a memory program such as QEMM to even get DOS to use your upper memory... THe only Good multitasking program under DOS that I can think of is DesqView, and it is limited by DOS.... Hell, I would think you'd at least say something intelligent besides, "Gee, Dos is easy to use... Windows has a GUI... Unix is too hard for me to use.... I think Unix is for idiots...".... I hate to use the famous expression, but "Get a Clue Lamer!" From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jun 15 20:34:51 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: winnt vs unix Date: Wed Jun 15 20:34:51 1994 I won't even justify Windows enough to consider it as a usable system. However having used unix (and unixlike systems) extensivly, and now using Windows NT at microsoft for my work here are a few of my impressions as to plus and minuses of each: Windows NT: pluses: - user interface is easier at first - windows networked file systems are a lot easier to setup/use than NFS (which is the most widely used unix networked file system). - user interface is more consistant - tons of apps work with it (and lots of good ones, like MS Word) - much better kernel design (microkernels are the way of the future). minuses: - it isn't very customizable. for instance I hate title bars, I'd rather have the extra screen space for my own use. not possible on NT (without hacks). - everything i do is done on my machine. i can't telnet to other machines to remotely use them (but i can mount there disks if i just need to get to data on them). In addition my email can only be accessed on it, and all of my code is kept there. not really distributed, the way unix can be... - with the default setup it is easy for a user to fuck himself. just go remove the wrong file and your system is hosed (on unix most of the files on the disk are r/w for root only). Unix: pluses: - remote connections are cool (how do you think you get to yabbs :)) - i can customize the hell out of my interface (under X I can use whatever window manager I want, any shell, whatever). - killing the system (unless you're root) is difficult to impossible. minuses: - the kernel design really is bad...monolithic just doesn't make sense anymore. and i shouldn't have to recompile kernel to add/remove device drivers - much harder to learn in the first place In general unix makes much more sense for a multiuser system, Windows NT just wasn't designed to be that. However Windows NT is a nice desktop OS, esp in a corporate environment. Also in general people can run unix on a lesser machine. BSD and Linux are both very reasonable on a 386/33 with 8megs, but Windows NT really needs a 486/33 and 16 megs minumum (3.1 isn't too useful with more, but 3.5 (which will be out soon) is much better with respect to memory). alex From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jun 15 23:08:30 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: Sarlo@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Wed Jun 15 23:08:30 1994 Sorry, I just have to get this off my chest: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hee hee hee ho ho ho ... stop, i'll pee okay, anyway: DOS is a program loader for the most part ... its not ment to be a full-blown OS, and it doesn't do a damn good job of it IMHO Windows is a program loader with pretty pictures. Agreed the standard user interface makes it much easier to figure out programs ... but once you leanr the program it can actually slow you down. Haven't played with NT too much, but the copy my friend got off his CD-ROM ate itself several times. They all have advantages and drawbacks ... but just off hand i can tell you i wouldn't have gotten my job this summer if i hadn't had all my UNIX experience. Not matter what the future direction may be i'm personally happy sticking with the system that I find most powerful NOW. Si'des ... from my work at Bellcore, i can't picture telephone service nodes running under windows (god, that's a scary thought). -peter From Natalie@yabbs Thu Jun 16 00:05:09 1994 From: Natalie@yabbs To: dmonger@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Thu Jun 16 00:05:09 1994 um...my dad has programmed for the phone company using Windows...he writes networks...he also did something with automating call waiting and other services that the phone company has, like it usedto take a really long time before you got your call waitingwhen you ordered it, now a computer does it...my dad did that....well, for ameritech anyhow...my dad is smart...heheh but he doesn't use NT here at home, he says there's a lot ofproblems with it...i seem to remember that when he first got it, it would crash a lot...but hey, this is just my $.02 worth...(and btw, my dad does know other systems, like unix, but he chooses windows...i dunno why tho....) natalie From Jeremiah@yabbs Thu Jun 16 00:11:33 1994 From: Jeremiah@yabbs To: Natalie@yabbs Subject: Reasons to choose windoze.. Date: Thu Jun 16 00:11:33 1994 Well, if he gets paid by the hour, hell, Windows is the way to go!!! From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jun 16 12:30:51 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Jeremiah@yabbs Subject: re: Reasons to choose windoze.. Date: Thu Jun 16 12:30:51 1994 WinNT 3.5 beta is actually pretty stable...I haven't used 3.1 (whats out there now) at all, so I can't really comment on it. There are sites that run mission critical apps on it though... and just for the record, I haven't crashed my NT box yet... alex From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jun 16 22:49:12 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: Natalie@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Thu Jun 16 22:49:12 1994 SPACE is your friend ... but ameritech isn't running the systems that make the phone system work (switches, services nodes, etc) on Windows boxes unless the technology has changed that much in the last couple years. -peter (ps. nat, ask your dad if he was using SPACE ... i'm pretty sure that's the system i saw while at Bellcore). From Justbob@yabbs Sat Jun 18 12:24:13 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: Sarlo@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Sat Jun 18 12:24:13 1994 Sorry, just gotta throw in my $.02 What have you been smoking? I could recount all the points everyone else has made but that seems rather redundant so i'll try and be sort of original here (try i say:) I think it's important to remember that DOS was originally designed on a UNIX box and that means it's is less than unix, also, in the past years, DOS has been moving _closer_ to unix (file handles, the command structure, hardware interfaces, etc...) and since windoze runs on top of DOS, that means it is also a less than unix. As for OS/2, i'll say it is nice when you got the presentation manager open, but remember OS/2 also has a CLI, making it very much like unix with the option of CLI or X. And if you want to run X remotely, you can get remote X clients, (which is a lot more economical than getting OS/2 and mounting a remote drive on the desktop) And like htoaster pointed out, if the others are so much better, then how come UNIX achieves similar results with so much less overhead? Mind you, i have nothing against a good GUI, but so far, the only one i (ones that is) think are mature enuff are X and OS/2, and OS/2 still requires immense resourcews (unless you are comparing it to NT;) From Jeremiah@yabbs Mon Jun 20 01:30:30 1994 From: Jeremiah@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: I'm a stupid person... Date: Mon Jun 20 01:30:30 1994 Ok, for some reason The Slackware version of Linux 1.2 didn't want to install onto my computer.... I've tinkered with it for more than 2 dayz now, and I fell it's time to try something else. I believe the problem is in my SCSI controller card. It stores all of it's info not in the BIOS, so even DOS diognostics has problems detecting it sometimes. Can someone tell me a little about FreeBSD, it's space requirement, and so on? Thanks. From Famine@yabbs Mon Jun 20 12:05:58 1994 From: Famine@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Mon Jun 20 12:05:58 1994 Yes, I think I agree with you, on that view but, you didn't really consider the reliability aspect of unix versus Windows NT, or also the fact that code written under dos or windows suffers from the architecture being very recursion unfriendly. Another point to consider would be the scalability of unix i.e. it runs on everything to super computers, with vastly differing architectures, I think dos would find it very difficult to handle a full vector processor. Ok UNIX is unfriendly, unless you want to use X, or some front end, but you have to remember it wasn't designed in the days that the word gui could be used to non-tech people and they might have a chance of knowing what you mean. To be honest I prefer the horses for courses approach, i.e. client server networks, with p.c. where necessery running X, far nicer. Famine >:^> From draven@yabbs Mon Jun 20 14:00:14 1994 From: draven@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Hmm... Date: Mon Jun 20 14:00:14 1994 Did I come at a bad time, or is this debate an ongoing thing? From GPF@yabbs Mon Jun 20 14:50:49 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Mon Jun 20 14:50:49 1994 Justbob wrote: > I think it's important to remember that DOS was originally designed on a > UNIX box and that means it's is less than unix, also, in the past years, this is a joke, right? please tell me this is a joke........ and if it's not... you're saying that something developed on a system will always be worse than the original system?? huh?? so, under your theory, Unix was developed under TOS (the ultime os) which no logner exists, but it had to have been better than unix or unix couldn't haave been written under it, right? sheeesh this crap is almost as bad as the origial posters'..... l8r... gp From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jun 20 15:15:58 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Mon Jun 20 15:15:58 1994 No i'm not saying that it's impossible for the system to improve over time, but DOS has only been around for about 15 years now and the hardware didn't really improve enuff to support vast improvements in the OS until the mid 80s when we got to the AT What i'm saying is there has been insufficient time for dos to improve and as of yet, it's still trying to copy unix but only partially which means it is still less of an OS From GPF@yabbs Mon Jun 20 16:58:19 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Mon Jun 20 16:58:19 1994 nonsense.... 15 years is MORE than enough time for dos to have become something more than a program loader (can you say os/2?) the reason is that there has never been any real competition to good ol' dos so there was subsequently no reason for them to change it...... the increasing popularity of dr.dos (now knows as novell dos) promppted microsoft to bloat their dos equally, with all sorts of idiotic disk compression utilities and things.... now microsoft sees some REAL competition _starting_ to appear (os/2, taligent(vaporware), mabye some unix(who knows?) so they have been forced to get off their butts and slap together windoze nt and chicago. oh, and to your point about ms wanting dos to look like unix, that's ridiculous... microsoft wants everything they sell to be easy to use for the moron market (did any of you see the mouse tutorial in windoze 3.1? sheeeeeeesh) and unix ain't exactly known for being luser-friendly.... oh well, i seem to have drifted off topic here... ln -s /dev/null ~/mail/flames l8r.... gp From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jun 20 18:39:59 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Mon Jun 20 18:39:59 1994 Yes, and the reason OS/2 is a real OS is because they didn't model the OS after another operating system. DOS is still trying to be a half-assed unix And i didn't say _look_ like it, i said it is like it. The DOS interface (low level, like int 21h calls, etc) is very much so like UNIX. It started out being more like CP/M and as the hardware progressed it has adopted UNIX things. For example the use of file handles, and getting away from doing everything with BIOS calls From Natalie@yabbs Mon Jun 20 19:51:22 1994 From: Natalie@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: UNIX is for stupid people. Date: Mon Jun 20 19:51:22 1994 a moron, that's me heheh natalie From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jun 20 20:21:58 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: unix vs dos Date: Mon Jun 20 20:21:58 1994 argh... everyone go learn your unix api's and dos api's and come back then...unix and dos are completely different designs...yes, dos adapoted the tree structed file system of unix, but that is about it...the way the two file systems are laid out on disk is totally different... if you really want to have this argument i'd reccomend going to your local university library and getting a book on operating system design...i personally like "Modern Operating Systems" by Tanebaum (spelling?). in the back it has a history of both ms-dos and unix (and cooler stuff like mach), so read those... btw, the main problem with dos is that it wasn't designed to scale to todays computing systems. its memory managment is designed around the segmented architecture of 8086's, not the paged systems that most current processors use (or the paged-segmented system of the 386/486). pointers are usually kept in reference to the local segment, and segment sizes are 64k, which makes dealing with more memory more of a pain (yes, FAR pointers work around that)... and it just doesn't have a no-brainer interface to accessing more than 640k of memory. alex From cosmos@yabbs Tue Jun 21 00:29:32 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Jeremiah@yabbs Subject: re: I'm a stupid person... Date: Tue Jun 21 00:29:32 1994 In message I'm a stupid person..., Jeremiah said: > Ok, for some reason The Slackware version of Linux 1.2 didn't want to > install onto my computer.... I've tinkered with it for more than 2 dayz > now, and I fell it's time to try something else. I believe the problem is > in my SCSI controller card. It stores all of it's info not in the BIOS, > so even DOS diognostics has problems detecting it sometimes. Can someone > tell me a little about FreeBSD, it's space requirement, and so on? > Thanks. Ive finally found someone who cant install linux.... (just kidding m8) Anyhow, youll have the same problems with FreeBSD with that annoying BIOS quirk and it only supports the robust SCSI standard controllers like adaptec, ultrastor or buslogic. I wont even try and start the war over OS on this one...;) Cosmos From Justbob@yabbs Tue Jun 21 15:08:33 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: stuff Date: Tue Jun 21 15:08:33 1994 my last comment on the subject of dos vs. unix: I'm not saying that DOS attempted to adopt the file sturcture of unix either, i'm saying the interface (ie, using streams instead just i/o directly to and from buffers and the relatively new adition of share.exe which now allows you to do file locking just as in unix, in fact, you even use the same functions...) But my real question is, can you install FreeBSD on MCA? (or did i already ask that...hrmmm) From Jeremiah@yabbs Tue Jun 21 17:38:38 1994 From: Jeremiah@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: I guess it would help... Date: Tue Jun 21 17:38:38 1994 If I found out what kind of controller I even have...:-). Maybe, then I COULD figure out a way to get Linux to work... Oh well, I guess I'm stuck using DOS a little while longer.... From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jun 21 20:34:01 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: stuff Date: Tue Jun 21 20:34:01 1994 right now there aren't any free unix's that support MCA... alex From Justbob@yabbs Wed Jun 22 00:39:55 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: stuff Date: Wed Jun 22 00:39:55 1994 geee....why doesn't that surrise me? *sigh* *hasn't the $$ to shell out for AIX* From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jun 24 00:13:10 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: stuff Date: Fri Jun 24 00:13:10 1994 but i _like_ my MCA machine... When i get the bucks i'm gonna get a 486 clone, but you can bet i'm gonna keep my PS/2 (ps/2 clone actually..one of the few MCA clones out there....leave up to NCReh;) er...add a space there--^ From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jun 24 11:54:00 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: stuff Date: Fri Jun 24 11:54:00 1994 NCR still makes those MCA machines too...we have a couple of multiprocessor NCR 486's around here (and a 4processor alpha, thats a cool machine)... I think IBM licensed MCA to whoever wanted it, but the industry just turned around and came up with EISA (and later PCI, which even IBM is moving to instead of MCA on their PC machines) alex From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jun 24 13:48:32 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: stuff Date: Fri Jun 24 13:48:32 1994 In message re: stuff, Justbob said: > but i _like_ my MCA machine... > When i get the bucks i'm gonna get a 486 clone, but you can bet i'm gonna > keep my PS/2 (ps/2 clone actually..one of the few MCA clones out > there....leave up to NCReh;) > er...add a space there--^ Then quit bitching wanker. Cosmos From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jun 24 23:47:15 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: stuff Date: Fri Jun 24 23:47:15 1994 Actually, no, IBM charged royalties or at least a one time licensing fee forMCA, and it was _steep_. That's why so few bought into it, however, NCR, being the type of ppl they are had to have the best. And they make some really hot boxes...Wish i had one of those multiprocessor 486s (didn't know they were in on the alpha market tho) EISA was an attempt by the 3rd party comp mfgrs to turn around and say see, we don't need MCA, go to hell But this doesn't realy have much to do with unix does it? *thinks we needs a PC base or at least hardware* From htoaster@yabbs Sat Jun 25 18:43:11 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: stuff Date: Sat Jun 25 18:43:11 1994 the multiprocessor alpha we have is made by dec, not ncr...our three multiprocessor machines are: 4 486/66 NCR, 4 pentium Wyse, and a 4alpha dec thing...all running windows nt (since i work in the systems group at microsoft)... anyway, i did mean to say that ibm would license MCA...it still costs a ton... doesn't matter, PCI is here now, and it looks like everyone and their mother will jump toit... this base works okay for hardware...since its low traffic anyway... alex From elixirio@yabbs Sat Jun 25 21:24:18 1994 From: elixirio@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: X.25 Date: Sat Jun 25 21:24:18 1994 DOU YOY KNOW HOW CAN I ACCESS X.25 FROM UNIX ? From Justbob@yabbs Sat Jun 25 22:42:30 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: elixirio@yabbs Subject: re: X.25 Date: Sat Jun 25 22:42:30 1994 DOU YOY KNOW HOW CAN I ACCESS X.25 FROM UNIX ? Fraid not, but i suppose i should tel you right now (probably get flamed anyhow, but...heh..whatever) Anyhow, don't YELL, SOME PPL FIND it very annoying No reason not to go with PCI, even with a DX4 100, MCA is just getting up there to PCI/VLB throughput rates. Really, there's no reason not to, i think the only thing that's beeng IBM from going with EISA is that it's really just a kludge and is still very much ISAish underneath. With an open , fully arbitrated bus with guaranteed throughput on each and every channel at once, there's no reason not to. Plus i think they've learned the value of an open standard. Just my $.02 From cosmos@yabbs Mon Jun 27 01:36:53 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: elixirio@yabbs Subject: re: X.25 Date: Mon Jun 27 01:36:53 1994 In message X.25, elixirio said: > DOU YOY KNOW HOW CAN I ACCESS X.25 FROM UNIX ? You need to access your caps-lock key and turn it off first. Then try a large caliber hand gun at close range and spare us. Cosmos From Natalie@yabbs Mon Jun 27 02:07:51 1994 From: Natalie@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: X.25 Date: Mon Jun 27 02:07:51 1994 *falls off her chair cause she's laughing so hard* natalie From pnovak@yabbs Mon Jun 27 22:19:34 1994 From: pnovak@yabbs To: Natalie@yabbs Subject: re: X.25 Date: Mon Jun 27 22:19:34 1994 pno wonders why interesting stuff of this base seems to be continually intertwined with **** from ****s, like previous to Nat's who's prob'ly knocked off by her chairy fall. maybe I missed some ***'s somewhere... From GPF@yabbs Mon Jun 27 22:49:55 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: pnovak@yabbs Subject: re: X.25 Date: Mon Jun 27 22:49:55 1994 on Mon Jun 27 22:19:34 1994 a clueless fuckwad wrote: > pno wonders why interesting stuff of this base seems to be > continually intertwined with **** from ****s, like previous > to Nat's who's prob'ly knocked off by her chairy fall. > maybe I missed some ***'s somewhere... what the fuck? yeah, you missed some ***'s somewhere, you shoulda just written 215 bytes of *'s it would made a lot more sense.... back to houked on fonickz pal ...gpf From elixirio@yabbs Tue Jun 28 08:35:52 1994 From: elixirio@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: X.25 Date: Tue Jun 28 08:35:52 1994 AFTER TRYING A LARGE CALIBER HAND GUN AT CLOSE RANGE I FOUND OUT THAT PAD IS THE RIGHT COMMAND . AS YOU CAN SEE I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE CAPS LOCK KEY ,BUT I'M SURE I 'LL FIND IT .THANKS FOR THE TIME YOU LOST WITH ME ! Elixirio. (Oh that's the CAPS LOCK Key) From musafir@yabbs Tue Jun 28 20:18:26 1994 From: musafir@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: um Date: Tue Jun 28 20:18:26 1994 hmm. yabbs doesn't seem to let me use my .emacs file or something. grr. hate ^H From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jun 28 20:46:19 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: musafir@yabbs Subject: re: um Date: Tue Jun 28 20:46:19 1994 are you using a client or telnetting in? if you're using a client it shouldn't be doing anything that would break .emacs... alex From pnovak@yabbs Wed Jun 29 12:35:26 1994 From: pnovak@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: #436/sorry Date: Wed Jun 29 12:35:26 1994 That was either the wrong message or the wrong base. Sorry, less beer next time... pno :( From balistic@yabbs Wed Jun 29 18:10:17 1994 From: balistic@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: can anyone help? Date: Wed Jun 29 18:10:17 1994 Recently, while navigating the net, my screen went blank and my PC started resetting itself over and over. I scanned my entire hard drive for viruses and came up empty. The problem seems to temporarily go away after restarting the computer a few times, but the next day, it's back. Has this happened to anyone else, is it a virus or something in my hardware? Any input would be appreciated, BALISTIC From statix@yabbs Wed Jun 29 23:35:01 1994 From: statix@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: compiler books Date: Wed Jun 29 23:35:01 1994 I may be taking (dependent if enough people enroll in it) a course on compiler design, and am looking for some good intro texts to get my feet wet before I take the class. I currently have Brinch Hansen on Pascal Compilers and Principles of Compiler Design by Aho & Ullman. We will most likely be crafting the scanner and parser by using Lex & Yacc. If anyone has any good book suggestions, I'd like to hear them. Thanks. statix From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jun 29 23:36:27 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: musafir@yabbs Subject: re: um Date: Wed Jun 29 23:36:27 1994 no .emacs ... its a feature. -peter who had forgotton how much more intuitive vi is to him then emacs after giving in and using its html mode and who has come to his sense now From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jun 30 13:53:37 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: dmonger@yabbs Subject: re: um Date: Thu Jun 30 13:53:37 1994 does .emacs really not work with the yabbs client? if so i probably know why (i used to change the home directory, not sure if i do that anymore, but if i do its probably why)... if so let me know and i'll fix it... alex From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jun 30 17:22:34 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: FreeBSD 1.1.5 Date: Thu Jun 30 17:22:34 1994 Just a note to all. FreeBSD 1.1.5 release was released late last night and is available for anon FTP at: FreeBSD.cdrom.com /.1/FreeBSD This contains many numerous bug fixes, a new VM enhancements and a shitload of other stuff. Worth checking out. Cosmos From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jun 30 18:33:53 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: FreeBSD 1.1.5 Date: Thu Jun 30 18:33:53 1994 gee, maybe i'll download it over night god i miss my ethernet. -peter From taegu@yabbs Thu Jun 30 18:39:22 1994 From: taegu@yabbs To: balistic@yabbs Subject: re: can anyone help? Date: Thu Jun 30 18:39:22 1994 I have seen this happen before when there have been voltage drops for what ever reason. You may want to make sure you are getting a constant 110v to your system. The PC I saw doing this was fixed by adding a UPS to start with. Later a new dedicated line was ran to it. Taegu From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jun 30 20:35:38 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: dmonger@yabbs Subject: re: FreeBSD 1.1.5 Date: Thu Jun 30 20:35:38 1994 In message re: FreeBSD 1.1.5, dmonger said: > gee, maybe i'll download it over night Yeah, I know. I got the .flp disks last night.... The bindist comes tonight.... Cosmos From Jeremiah@yabbs Thu Jun 30 21:40:36 1994 From: Jeremiah@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: Size of FreeBSD Date: Thu Jun 30 21:40:36 1994 How much disk space would FreeBSD take to set up? Just outta curiosity. From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jun 30 22:09:46 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Jeremiah@yabbs Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD Date: Thu Jun 30 22:09:46 1994 In message Size of FreeBSD, Jeremiah said: > How much disk space would FreeBSD take to set up? Just outta > curiosity. I think something like 40 megs or so. Depends on what you want to do with it. A basic BSD UNIX system without X can survive on a pretty small partition/disk. I had to redo my whole system due to a work related project that requires me to work in dos/windows... :( I allocated 200 MB for Dos/Windows and 300MB for FreeBSD/X I then use OS-BS to boot whichever one I need to work under. I still have to install the bindist, srcdist, and secrdist tomorrow---it will take all night to download those beasts! ;) Cosmos From Natalie@yabbs Tue Sep 22 02:30:07 1903 From: Natalie@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD Date: Tue Sep 22 02:30:07 1903 poor cos...you have to use dos/windows *sheds a tear*...justdon't throw the puter out the window, 'k? *smirk* natalie From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 1 12:47:18 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Jeremiah@yabbs Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD Date: Fri Jul 1 12:47:18 1994 It'll fit in 40 (like cosmos said), but I'd reccomend at least 80 for a working installation (ie, something you really want to use). If you want X you'll probably want at least 120 for it. I personally run this machine with about 500 megs of disk (right now), but 75 megs of that is for swap space. At the end of the summer it'll probably have between 750 and a gig depending on how much i feel like spending. Most of it isn't for the base system though (yabbs takes up about 30, X is about 30, my /usr/local is about 60, and user accounts take up about 100). I also try and keep about 100 megs free as scratch space. alex From Famine@yabbs Fri Jul 1 14:53:44 1994 From: Famine@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: Ansi C / GNU Problems Date: Fri Jul 1 14:53:44 1994 htoaster, since you wrote the yabbs client stuff, I thought you might be able to help me, the problem is the code is ansi C, and I am trying to compile the thing on a sparc, before you suggest the pre-compiled client, I tried, but the system set-up where I am is wierd, hence it feel over with a bus error. I know that there is a ansi-c to k&r conversion program somewhere, but I don't know where, last time I used it was on the uniz version of zip. So do you or does anyone else know the where abouts of this code. Thanks in advance Famine. From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 1 15:01:42 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Famine@yabbs Subject: re: Ansi C / GNU Problems Date: Fri Jul 1 15:01:42 1994 In message Ansi C / GNU Problems, Famine said: > htoaster, since you wrote the yabbs client stuff, I thought you might be > able to help me, the problem is the code is ansi C, and I am trying to > compile the thing on a sparc, before you suggest the pre-compiled client, > I tried, but the system set-up where I am is wierd, hence it feel over > with a bus error. Ever try GNU GCC ? ;) Cosmos From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 1 20:18:46 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Size of FreeBSD Date: Fri Jul 1 20:18:46 1994 cool, then you can set up an nntp server :) screw nntp.club -peter From Famine@yabbs Sat Jul 2 07:55:19 1994 From: Famine@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Ansi C / GNU Problems Date: Sat Jul 2 07:55:19 1994 Yes I have tried gcc, we have it but we don't have the ansi headers, only k&r which is damn inconvient >:^< Any other ideas cosmos? Famine(lover of k&r ... the only true C) p.s. seriously...I would like to get it compiled... From Famine@yabbs Sat Jul 2 08:39:44 1994 From: Famine@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Gopher ftps in ASCII Date: Sat Jul 2 08:39:44 1994 Can you please forget my requests for help, I have successfully got a client downloaded and its running perfectly. Famine. p.s. The clients improve performance one help of a lot. From Death@yabbs Sun Jul 3 12:57:23 1994 From: Death@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: yabbsfest Date: Sun Jul 3 12:57:23 1994 Everybody (or almost everybody) here on yabbs wonders what everyone else is like in "real" life... To this end, I'm announcing that a bunch of us have gotten together to organize a party!!! We've decided that at some as yet undetermined point in time, anybody from Yabbs that wants to is invited to come to Pittsburgh, the birthplace of Yabbs, where we will all get together for a weekend or so of fun :> The reason the time is still undetermined is because we need everyone who wants to come to let us know when would be a good time for them... Email me with questions, comments, suggestions, and what time would be good for you at: death@cyberspace.org See you there!!! --Death PS... I put this message in every base on the off chance that EVERYBODY might actually get to see it :> From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 8 10:15:10 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: user interface design Date: Fri Jul 8 10:15:10 1994 Has anyone seen any good (free) GUI design tools that DON'T require Motif? -peter From clipper@yabbs Wed Jul 13 00:55:45 1994 From: clipper@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 00:55:45 1994 Does anyone have a good text editor for doing C code. I'm really dying to use an editor reminissant of Turbo C for DOS. Even something close to DOS's EDIT would be okay. Thanks. From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 13 11:43:02 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: clipper@yabbs Subject: re: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 11:43:02 1994 some good editors i've found are xcoral, nedit, and aXe..... the first is openlook, the second is motif (so if you don't have the libs you'll need to get in statically linked....) and the third is athena (ugh) they're all fairly good text editors (all x based) and xcoral has some special editing modes for code.... all of em (afaik) can be found at ftp.x.org in /R5contrib or /contrib or if you're running linux you can get nedit bins from sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/xapps/editors..... i still prefer vi tho :) ...gpf From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jul 13 12:30:01 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: clipper@yabbs Subject: re: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 12:30:01 1994 In message Editors.., clipper said: > Does anyone have a good text editor for doing C code. I'm really dying to > use an editor reminissant of Turbo C for DOS. Even something close to > DOS's EDIT would be okay. I personally love vi for editting code (and everything). It has a steep learning curve, but I find that it is time well spent. Everyone I know who now use vi won't go back to anything else. If you really want a turbo C like editor you could remap emacs (or microemacs) to use the same keybindings as turbo C (I did this with microemacs once to make it like norton editor (ne)). You might want to check out joe as well, it is pretty much like turbo C now... alex From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jul 13 12:58:47 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: gpf@yabbs Subject: re: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 12:58:47 1994 wow GPF, you always seemed like the emacs type to me. I love vi too, although that initial learning curve is a little tough. but once you get used to it, its small and fast and all the keys make sense (unlike some bloated editors put out by gnu) -peter From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 13 14:25:13 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: dmonger@yabbs Subject: re: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 14:25:13 1994 blah, emacs takes 12 meg of disk and takes 10 seconds just to start... no thanx... From cosmos@yabbs Wed Jul 13 14:35:10 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: clipper@yabbs Subject: re: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 14:35:10 1994 In message Editors.., clipper said: > Does anyone have a good text editor for doing C code. I'm really dying to > use an editor reminissant of Turbo C for DOS. Even something close to > DOS's EDIT would be okay. > > Thanks. > Try ed. Its the editor of champions. Cosmos From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jul 13 17:19:41 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 17:19:41 1994 only 10 seconds ... wow linux must be faster than freebsd then (or aix on the rs6000 at work) :) beware the editor which announces in the README that it can grow to over 4MB. or is that 8. -peter From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 13 17:43:35 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: dmonger@yabbs Subject: re: Editors.. Date: Wed Jul 13 17:43:35 1994 it that memory or disk? the linux dist comes at about 15 meg... (but that's with all the lisp sources so that emacs weenies can say "but emacs is so cool because you can use the editor to edit itself!" it's also worth mentioning that emacs sucks up nearly twice as much memory as my x server and it's loading is one of the few times that my system is forced to swap..... From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jul 13 17:57:21 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: that's RAM Date: Wed Jul 13 17:57:21 1994 the title says it all -peter From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jul 14 00:02:28 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Bloated Editors Date: Thu Jul 14 00:02:28 1994 Heh. I just use VI. Always have, always will. Cosmos From !@#asd@yabbs Thu Jul 14 12:14:52 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: shareware sniffer software Date: Thu Jul 14 12:14:52 1994 Hello, i know i know this is not a unix question but it is the only board that has computer intelligent people on it. I am l00king for a shareware sniffer program anyone know of any that are out on the internet????? respond here or email me at kiddr@alpinevalley.ksc.nasa.gov thanks l8er From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jul 14 12:46:45 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: re: shareware sniffer software Date: Thu Jul 14 12:46:45 1994 In message shareware sniffer software, !@#asd said: > Hello, i know i know this is not a unix question but it is the only board > that has computer intelligent people on it. I am l00king for a shareware > sniffer program anyone know of any that are out on the internet????? There are a few. The CMU PC-IP stuff comes with one. You should also look for Beholder (I think that is the name of it), which is a lot more advanced. alex From cosmos@yabbs Thu Jul 14 13:44:18 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: re: shareware sniffer software Date: Thu Jul 14 13:44:18 1994 In message shareware sniffer software, !@#asd said: > Hello, i know i know this is not a unix question but it is the only board > that has computer intelligent people on it. I am l00king for a shareware > sniffer program anyone know of any that are out on the internet????? > > respond here or email me at kiddr@alpinevalley.ksc.nasa.gov > thanks > l8er Does NASA have new responsibilites in the civialian sector... Anyhow, archie for the beholder or something like that. Cosmos From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Jul 15 08:42:05 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: shareware sniffer software Date: Fri Jul 15 08:42:05 1994 Do you know where i can get these programs?????? It sure would be a great help. Thanks again Ricky Kidd (!@#asd) From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Jul 15 08:44:14 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: shareware sniffer software Date: Fri Jul 15 08:44:14 1994 hehehehehe yeah, theses idiots want something that they can toy with and make it do exactly what they want. I found one yesterday (Thurs) and it has the source code, so if I can get that my project will be well ahead of where i am suppose to be. DAmn NASA wennies From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Jul 15 08:45:16 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: shareware sniffer software Date: Fri Jul 15 08:45:16 1994 how do you use archie, i had someone tell me once about three years ago. Clue me in again would ya From GPF@yabbs Fri Jul 15 11:42:05 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: re: shareware sniffer software Date: Fri Jul 15 11:42:05 1994 man archie... it's a unix command... From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 15 12:30:31 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: re: shareware sniffer software Date: Fri Jul 15 12:30:31 1994 In message re: shareware sniffer software, !@#asd said: > Do you know where i can get these programs?????? not offhand, but a little time with archie should help. pcip is all over the place, beholder was in .fi i think... alex From Justbob@yabbs Wed Jul 20 18:13:25 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: archie Date: Wed Jul 20 18:13:25 1994 telnet archie.unl.edu, archie.au, or one of a myriad of other sites if you don't have an archie client From Justbob@yabbs Thu Jul 21 18:00:53 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Thu Jul 21 18:00:53 1994 Anyone know if there are token ring drivers out there for linux? (no, i really don't have time to wander around sunsite and look) Any help would be greatly appreciated and would considerably ease things. From Justbob@yabbs Thu Jul 21 18:01:14 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Date: Thu Jul 21 18:01:14 1994 (it's that or trying to port the drivers from aix :/) From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jul 21 19:52:42 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Thu Jul 21 19:52:42 1994 last time i checked there were no token ring drivers for any of the free unix systems (linux, bsd, or whatever)... alex From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 22 00:29:22 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Fri Jul 22 00:29:22 1994 Nope. No Token Ring drivers for the free unices. I currently am looking into writing a driver for BSD. I guess you linux weenies can steal it after its done(if ever...IBM hardware sucks, but I gotta use it). Cosmos From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jul 22 20:03:22 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Fri Jul 22 20:03:22 1994 Well, either we can get our system set up on token ring now, or wait however long when we put ethernet in the elementary school :/ *goes off to pirate some drivers* From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 22 20:59:13 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Fri Jul 22 20:59:13 1994 supposedly (i haven't done this) it shouldn't be too hard to get an XT, put both a token ring and ethernet card in it, and set it up as a bridge using ka9q or pc-route or some other freeware routing and briding software...might be easier then hacking drivers into BSD or Linux at least... alex From Justbob@yabbs Fri Jul 22 22:10:08 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Fri Jul 22 22:10:08 1994 However, if we want to put an ethernet segment in, we might as well wait for the ether in the elementary school since the HS won't okay the cost of an ethernet segment just for one machine :/ (at least not yet) From cosmos@yabbs Sat Jul 23 00:47:51 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Sat Jul 23 00:47:51 1994 In message re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring, htoaster said: > supposedly (i haven't done this) it shouldn't be too hard to get an XT, > put both a token ring and ethernet card in it, and set it up as a bridge using > ka9q or pc-route or some other freeware routing and briding software...might > be easier then hacking drivers into BSD or Linux at least... > > alex > Yeah, I had done this at one point. Easy kludge, but I lost the XT to our secretary here and its really only a kludge workaround IMHO. I also need to connect *all* of the over 300 IBM 486 machines on our token ring network to the network with a reliable means. I did at one point argue to all hell with my bosses over token ring vs ethernet and I lost. I also got chastised for foul language. Go figure. IBM cut us a deal on our rs6ks and the token ring. I want to get a decent driver written for BSD so I can set up a nice BSD subnet. Cosmos From Justbob@yabbs Sat Jul 23 09:31:30 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Sat Jul 23 09:31:30 1994 At the time the school had TR put it, it was at the suggestion of the college's netadmin. We figure it's cause that's all he knows and he didn't want to look stupid. *shrug* Oh well, at least we got 16Mbps. Even if we do pay for it. From Justbob@yabbs Sun Jul 24 02:35:02 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Linux & Token ring Date: Sun Jul 24 02:35:02 1994 I may have found someone with tr drivers for linux, i will let you know as soon as i get a response to my mail From htoaster@yabbs Sun Jul 24 21:06:59 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Sun Jul 24 21:06:59 1994 In message re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring, Justbob said: > However, if we want to put an ethernet segment in, we might as well wait > for the ether in the elementary school since the HS won't okay the cost of > an ethernet segment just for one machine :/ > (at least not yet) the cost is really <$100 if you look around for some used twisted pair ethernet cards (they are usually easy to find at computer shows)...and the cabling for them is just coax, which is cheap too... alex From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jul 25 23:05:49 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Mon Jul 25 23:05:49 1994 Yes, but the token ring is 16Mbps, wouldn't i need some sort of frame buffer to keep the tr from overflowing the thernet bandwidth? From Justbob@yabbs Mon Jul 25 23:06:23 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Mon Jul 25 23:06:23 1994 (er..that should be ethernet bandwidth up there) From dmonger@yabbs Tue Jul 26 13:46:43 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Date: Tue Jul 26 13:46:43 1994 god i hate sun's fucking k&r shit compiler .... -peter From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jul 26 13:51:24 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Tue Jul 26 13:51:24 1994 In message re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring, Justbob said: > Yes, but the token ring is 16Mbps, wouldn't i need some sort of frame > buffer to keep the tr from overflowing the ethernet bandwidth? token to ether bridges are pretty common...if you just route ip traffic headed for the ether machine(s) over the bridge then it is unlikely that you'll loose to many packets... also, all networking protocols are designed around lans that drop packets anyway, so instead of buffer it just drops, which forces resends...its not as evil as it sounds... alex From Justbob@yabbs Wed Jul 27 17:44:35 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Wed Jul 27 17:44:35 1994 "Increased network traffic? Why no, no i have no idea what you're talking about " ;) actually, i will check, sounds like it's definitely workable, thanx From cosmos@yabbs Sun Jul 31 14:00:24 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: UNIX info sheet Date: Sun Jul 31 14:00:24 1994 Alot of the kids have been asking me what version of UNIX they should run on their computer to learn or be cool or whatever. Rather than repeat myself over and over or perhaps tear them a new arse I thought a short info file on the 3 variants prevailing in the free net implementations would be useful. This document is in no way official or meant to be taken as gospel. This is just my observations. *** The Berkeley Camp *** There are 2 variants of the original 386BSD port done by William Jolitz on the net today. Both are *very* similar in general appearance and contain alot of the same code, however are targeted at a much different audience. The BSD implementations of UNIX are a very popular flavour in the university community and have been for the past 10 years. Many commercial flavours such as SunOS are BSD based. The 2 net implentations are not beginner oriented per se. Both are aimed at a more knowledgeable UNIX base and do not specifically cater to the new or inexperienced user. This is not to say that a new user cannot do anything useful on a BSD variant, just that his hand may not be held very closely. If you have experience in a commercial UNIX environment, especially SunOS or Ultrix you may notice little difference besides vendor crap between your variant and the *BSD versions. FreeBSD: This is the intel specific release of BSD. It relies on a core team for its major development. Install is easy to follow and well documented for new users. Numerous mailing lists serve the FreeBSD community and the freebsd.cdrom.com FTP site contains much to keep a FreeBSD user happy. The FreeBSD team maintains a "package" site there as well which are precompiled binaries for many useful programs and utilities. I recommend this one heartily to someone wanting to do some quality work on a rock solid UNIX os. Currently the last release version was 1.1.5.1 which is still based on 4.3 net/2 code. You can get this release from gatekeeper.dec.com in the /BSD directories. Release 2.0 which will be a 4.4 lite based implementation is due out in late September. NetBSD: This is an architecture independent release of the 386BSD code. It runs on many popular machines like the intel 386/486, Macintosh, Amiga, Sun3 etc... It is currently a working implementation of BSD 4.4 code and within a week or two release 1.0 will be out. This is *not* the beginners OS. The only thing you get with this baby is the OS itself. No ports or packages are maintained, thus the need for a more in depth knowledge of software porting to UNIX and admin skills are needed. I like this release of *BSD the best. If you like hacking around on UNIX and feel comfortable, I urge you to give this one a try. *** Linux *** Linux is an entirely different beast. The BSD variants are technically a real UNIX, they do have original UNIX code in them (which has upset many a Novell/USL lawyer). however Linux is a complete rewrite from the ground up based to look like a System V UNIX. Lets first clear up some myths. LINUX is not System V UNIX. LINUX is not UNIX period. Linux is a very stable UNIX clone which attempts to give the user a System V feel with alot of BSD add ons. Linux has quite a few non standard quarks specific to itself that may confuse and/or piss off a UNIX regular. However, Linux is written and maintained with a user-oriented attitude that serves its community quite well. From the initial install program which is a color menu driven install more user friendly than the Windows install to each individual package, Linux is clearly user oriented. Linux Slackware distribution is very well documented and contains *everything* under the sun you would ever possibly need/want(much too much sometimes ;) ). This is one of its major differences from the older BSD crowd. It is much eaiser to a newbie or novice to install Linux, fire up X and start learning than on one of the *BSD variants. But it has its tradeoffs. You can grab Linux stuff from: sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux The bottom line is that each user must make a choice and go from there. Try all three and see which suits you best. But dont expect someone else to spoonfeed you the whole way. Man pages do have a reason for their existance... Cosmos From HC@yabbs Sun Jul 31 21:50:57 1994 From: HC@yabbs To: cosmos@yabbs Subject: FreeBSD on CD Date: Sun Jul 31 21:50:57 1994 *************** Hey Cos...is it possible to get FreeBSD on CD...if yes, where can I buy it from, and what format is the CD in... Thanx From cosmos@yabbs Mon Aug 1 00:15:40 1994 From: cosmos@yabbs To: HC@yabbs Subject: re: FreeBSD on CD Date: Mon Aug 1 00:15:40 1994 In message FreeBSD on CD, HC said: > > Hey Cos...is it possible to get FreeBSD on CD...if yes, where can I buy > it from, and what format is the CD in... > It was for Release 1.1 but not for the latest 1.1.5.1 due to very limited time constraints. You wont be able to buy one anyhow. Time is up and the net/2 limit is in place. You can only FTP it at this point from one of the mirrors like gatekeeper.dec.com 2.0 will be out in september and it *will* be put on a CDROM. Cosmos From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 6 16:45:57 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: XF86 Date: Sat Aug 6 16:45:57 1994 Anyone got XF86 drivers for Western Digital 90c33? wd90c30 and wd90c31 don't work [so far, we can only get it going in standard 16 color VGA] From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 6 22:51:42 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: XF86 Date: Sat Aug 6 22:51:42 1994 In message XF86, Justbob said: > Anyone got XF86 drivers for Western Digital 90c33? > wd90c30 and wd90c31 don't work > [so far, we can only get it going in standard 16 color VGA] I don't beleive that there are any. It works in the pvga1 driver for mono if you don't mind having mono X. mono 1024x768 is more useful than 640x480 16 color at least. WD can't seem to standardize on one hardware interface to their boards and that looses out for them. did you get it with a gateway by any chance? my roommate got the same bum deal, and couldn't even trade it up, because all of their boards are just diamond now... alex From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:15:37 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: XF86 Date: Sun Aug 7 15:15:37 1994 Nope, it's a leading edge [and just to clarify, it's not mine, it's a friend] (er...friend's that is) We decided just to write to the writer of the other two wd drivers and see if there were any plans for the 33. And we've got it in 800x600 (altho in our XConfig, it clearly states 640x480, but it has to be 8x6, there's no way 640x480 is that crisp) with 16 colors. And i agree, you'd think that they'd be nice and make the chipsets fairly compatible. oh well, shit happens. From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:48:15 1994 From: balistic@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: clients Date: Sun Aug 7 15:48:15 1994 Hi alex, anyword on a MS-DOS yabbs client? l8r balistic From htoaster@yabbs Sun Aug 7 18:20:18 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: balistic@yabbs Subject: re: clients Date: Sun Aug 7 18:20:18 1994 In message re: clients, balistic said: > Hi alex, anyword on a MS-DOS yabbs client? everyonce in a while i get mail from someone saying that they are doing work on it, but i've never heard anything more than that. i personally have no interest (or time) to write one, but taking the current unix one and modifying it to work with ms-dos shouldn't be a monumental task (esp if the system already has sockets, doing a port to WinSock for example). alex From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 7 19:43:53 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: clients Date: Sun Aug 7 19:43:53 1994 However, then you'd have to piss around with the API calls :6 (Unless you wanted to do it in DOS, and try to use winsock calls anyhow...) From htoaster@yabbs Sun Aug 7 20:22:41 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: clients Date: Sun Aug 7 20:22:41 1994 In message re: clients, Justbob said: > However, then you'd have to piss around with the API calls :6 > (Unless you wanted to do it in DOS, and try to use winsock calls > anyhow...) well, under NT it would be easy to make it run as a console app. Under regular windows there are libraries which will bring up a console-like window and let you just use printf, etc to write and read to them, so doing a port to that isn't too tricky either. alex From slohack@yabbs Sun Aug 7 23:02:27 1994 From: slohack@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: clients Date: Sun Aug 7 23:02:27 1994 In message re: clients, htoaster said: > well, under NT it would be easy to make it run as a console app. Under > regular windows there are libraries which will bring up a console-like > window and let you just use printf, etc to write and read to them, so > doing a port to that isn't too tricky either. > How about using the WATTCP stack. It would need a packet driver, but over SLIP it might be kinda neat. It should be real easy using WATTCP. From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 8 11:57:03 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: slohack@yabbs Subject: re: clients Date: Mon Aug 8 11:57:03 1994 In message re: clients, slohack said: > How about using the WATTCP stack. It would need a packet driver, but > over SLIP it might be kinda neat. It should be real easy using WATTCP. like I said, I'm not personally going to do any ports (since I don't even have a DOS machine at home, and my NT box at work isn't directly on the internet, and I'm only going to be working here for another 11 days anyway). if anyone wants to do a port they should feel free. if they send me some email (alex@phred.org) and ask I can tell them what they'll probably have to change. alex From bart@yabbs Mon Aug 8 12:11:10 1994 From: bart@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: msdos client Date: Mon Aug 8 12:11:10 1994 uhmm why don't all the "do this and do that to make it work"dudes.. do it and make an msdos client... That way we free up the telnet lines and allow more logins.. Bart |\/\/\/| | | | | | (o)(o) c _) |_,___| |___/ MYYYYY HEADDDDDDDDDDD!? bleh. From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 8 16:06:53 1994 From: balistic@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: clients Date: Mon Aug 8 16:06:53 1994 Oh well...I'm not big on UNIX so I'll just have to wait :), but some times it's practically impossible to get in thru telnet...I always manage though :) From Figment@yabbs Wed Aug 10 06:29:54 1994 From: Figment@yabbs To: dmonger@yabbs Subject: re: Suns K&R compiler. Date: Wed Aug 10 06:29:54 1994 You're not the only one. Best thing they ever did was unbundle it so we can all buy the ANSI C one instead. :-) From ChimChim@yabbs Thu Aug 11 05:31:33 1994 From: ChimChim@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: Smart uudecoder Date: Thu Aug 11 05:31:33 1994 i am looking for a way to get a uudecoder for unix that can piece together multipart encoded files. if anybody knows of one could you either tell me about it or email it to me, but not in parts though. :) Thanks alot steve aka chimchim Stevin@u.washington.edu From GPF@yabbs Thu Aug 11 11:44:55 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: ChimChim@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Thu Aug 11 11:44:55 1994 i saw a program that did something to this effect a while ago.... it was a filter that stripped out lines that weren't part of the uuencoded file... so you'd just type eke file1 fil2 fil3 file4 |uudecode oh, it was called eke and i think it was posted to comp.sources.something a while ago..... From Justbob@yabbs Thu Aug 11 17:46:47 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: elvis/vnelvis Date: Thu Aug 11 17:46:47 1994 This is sort of unix related, so i thought i'd post it here for all us ppl stuck with dos (hopefully not for long) vnelvis: a must have! It's vi for DOS, it just kicks ass, no if ands or buts about it. and the cool thing is, it's real vi, right down to swapping in and out of a tmp file, so that there's just about no limit on file size, unlike EDIT.COM or QBASIC /edit [same thing] And it's in color. It's just darn nifty, i like it. [Pulled up a 640K doc on my 386sx 20 in about a minute, under windoze....that's faster than it takes EDIT to find out that it's out of memory:)] From htoaster@yabbs Thu Aug 11 18:54:24 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Thu Aug 11 18:54:24 1994 vnelvis? don't you just mean elvis? anyway there are some differences, like the way it handles backspace (you can backspace beyond the start of your insertion over tabs)...and elvis doesn't wrap long lines, you have to scroll the screen (might annoying)... if you have a unix box check out nvi...it is the coolest vi ever (and will probably end up the new standard for vi)...multiple windows, etc... alex From Justbob@yabbs Fri Aug 12 17:16:54 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Fri Aug 12 17:16:54 1994 vnelvis is an adaptation of elvis. and the only one i could find for the PC and i agree, it is missing somethings/non-standard [like no :set nu :/] Also, i meant to add that it only took about 12 seconds to bring up that same file in DOS [running in windows with fg priority set to 100] From htoaster@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:16:27 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Fri Aug 12 19:16:27 1994 In message re: elvis/vnelvis, Justbob said: > vnelvis is an adaptation of elvis. and the only one i could find for the > PC > and i agree, it is missing somethings/non-standard [like no :set nu :/] you can get straight elvis for the pc...i think it is on wuarchive.wustl.edu in /systems/msdos/editors... there is another really nice clone their too, but the name escapes my head now...much "closer" than elvis to the real thing... alex From HC@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:40:54 1994 From: HC@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Fri Aug 12 19:40:54 1994 ********* In message re: elvis/vnelvis, htoaster said: > you can get straight elvis for the pc...i think it is on wuarchive.wustl.edu > in /systems/msdos/editors... > there is another really nice clone their too, but the name escapes my head > now...much "closer" than elvis to the real thing... Don't happen to know of a vi clone for the Mac do you?...only one I have found so far is stevie From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 13 06:42:50 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: HC@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sat Aug 13 06:42:50 1994 Not you again! we've already discussed this ;) ht: thanks for the tip, will look. I would like to get a nicer version. If i had TC, i would try and port real vi. Should be _real_ easy with ansi.sys loaded. From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:14:12 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: HC@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sat Aug 13 16:14:12 1994 In message re: elvis/vnelvis, HC said: > Don't happen to know of a vi clone for the Mac do you?...only one I have > found so far is stevie not offhand, but if stevie can compile for the mac, chances are xvi can as well (it was started from the stevie sources). its a closer clone to vi than stevie is, and has some other cool features (multiple windows mostly). i use it on windows nt now because it was the easiest thing to make look like nvi. (which i would like to do a true port of someday). alex From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:15:39 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sat Aug 13 16:15:39 1994 In message re: elvis/vnelvis, Justbob said: > ht: thanks for the tip, will look. I would like to get a nicer version. > If i had TC, i would try and port real vi. Should be _real_ easy with > ansi.sys loaded. even easier with a curses library, which there are tons of for dos. biggest pain is dealing with dos memory management...and getting the original vi sources, since you need a usl unix site license for them... nvi would be a bit more of a bitch, since it is a lot bigger (and thus would be even harder to work into dos's sucky memory management). From dmonger@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:36:05 1994 From: dmonger@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sat Aug 13 16:36:05 1994 From Justbob@yabbs Sat Aug 13 16:54:12 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sat Aug 13 16:54:12 1994 You mean there isn't vi source up for ftp?! doh! From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 13 17:15:08 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sat Aug 13 17:15:08 1994 of course there's vi source up for ftp..... sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/apps/editors/* theres about 300 defferent versions of it there From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 13 18:33:45 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sat Aug 13 18:33:45 1994 In message re: elvis/vnelvis, GPF said: > of course there's vi source up for ftp..... sunsite.unc.edu > /pub/Linux/apps/editors/* theres about 300 defferent versions of it there none are the original...elvis, vim, stevie, etc, but not the orginal vi... there are differences...some don't even have stuff like :map and :map!...or do cutting and pasting wrong... alex From pnovak@yabbs Sat Aug 13 20:43:29 1994 From: pnovak@yabbs To: ChimChim@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Sat Aug 13 20:43:29 1994 pno has just spent abt 5 hours hating a multipart v.e.r.y. important uue. file. Bugwork, killing unwanted lines, ... Then again, maybe someoness answered already, "lo, chin, thought I.d letya know... jeez, having trouble with the single "s, sp keyboard, maybe... pno HATES unfriendly software. btw, flames wasted. (Common stuff, fortunately less in this board!) Disregard if smart-uudec identified, please, thanx. Bye, pno. . From GPF@yabbs Sat Aug 13 21:03:26 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: pnovak@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Sat Aug 13 21:03:26 1994 wha? From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 14 11:51:29 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sun Aug 14 11:51:29 1994 DOH! Of course there is. forgot about linux. From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 14 11:52:09 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: elvis/vnelvis Date: Sun Aug 14 11:52:09 1994 rats. From Justbob@yabbs Sun Aug 14 11:53:24 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Sun Aug 14 11:53:24 1994 He was looking for a uudecode that would decode multipart files. From GPF@yabbs Sun Aug 14 12:55:43 1994 From: GPF@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Sun Aug 14 12:55:43 1994 In message re: Smart uudecoder, Justbob said: > He was looking for a uudecode that would decode multipart files. yup, and that's what it does, it strips off sigs, headers et al and then lets you run it through a pipe.... if all he wanted was something for straight multipart files just cat file1 file2 file3 file4 filen |uudecode duh. From Aphex@yabbs Mon Aug 15 02:53:02 1994 From: Aphex@yabbs To: GPF@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Mon Aug 15 02:53:02 1994 ng, i didnt need to know abbout cat or anything, i wanted something that would decode multiple multi-part file that were stored in a single file. and do a bunch of other shit to like saving extra parts until you have the whole thing. or somethin like that. what i am using know is uuconvert whch is kind of a drag. if anyone sees a better one let me know later chimchim (using aphex's computer and login)ooh well :) From Justbob@yabbs Mon Aug 15 03:05:52 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: Aphex@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Mon Aug 15 03:05:52 1994 uh... so what you would do is take several files [which were segmented into multiple files] and put them into _one_ file then take that one file and run it thru the magic decoder ring & have it spit out the uudecode files in one bin & the headers & such in another? From Aphex@yabbs Tue Aug 16 05:14:07 1994 From: Aphex@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Tue Aug 16 05:14:07 1994 ............ you save all of your usenet binaries files into one file. then run it through. Found one and in the middle of compiling it and soforth. You can ftp it at 128.2.209.207 called unc Check it out. Aphex From Justbob@yabbs Tue Aug 16 13:29:31 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: Aphex@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Tue Aug 16 13:29:31 1994 *ahs* I see From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:09:41 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Wed Aug 17 12:09:41 1994 XT bridge, peice of CAKE (carrot) works like a charm, to switch from one network to another (token ring to whatever) From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:13:07 1994 From: !@#asd@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Wed Aug 17 12:13:07 1994 Token Ring SUX, Never, i say Never install token ring over ethernet Go with CAT5 Twisted pair ethernet cable, you can kill the cost of token ring cable and have up to 100MB(proper eq neccessary) From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:57:00 1994 From: balistic@yabbs To: Justbob@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Wed Aug 17 15:57:00 1994 hmmmm....decoder ring....didn't I get one of those from an ovaltine jar....:) a s s From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 17 16:07:18 1994 From: Natalie@yabbs To: balistic@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Wed Aug 17 16:07:18 1994 you'll put your eye out with that thing! natalie who likes going WAY off topic From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 22:35:58 1994 From: balistic@yabbs To: Natalie@yabbs Subject: re: Smart uudecoder Date: Wed Aug 17 22:35:58 1994 ahhhhh....a christmas story......what a classic :) balistic the boy-with-his-tongue-stuck-to-a-flagpole From Justbob@yabbs Thu Aug 18 20:09:21 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: !@#asd@yabbs Subject: re: Me, Linux, and Token Ring Date: Thu Aug 18 20:09:21 1994 Duh, but I didn't have any say in this. the networking was done already... And until recently, TR could easily blow away ether From ButtrBoy@yabbs Mon Aug 22 09:18:56 1994 From: ButtrBoy@yabbs To: Chimchim@yabbs Subject: Smart uudecoder Date: Mon Aug 22 09:18:56 1994 I had a program posted to some newsgroup before that did what you wanted; it was called uunconc but i don't have the source anymore, nor do i recall where i found it. try an archie for it. butterboy. From Jazzy@yabbs Tue Aug 23 09:14:36 1994 From: Jazzy@yabbs To: all@yabbs Subject: read /i roth Date: Tue Aug 23 09:14:36 1994 From Justbob@yabbs Wed Aug 24 12:40:09 1994 From: Justbob@yabbs To: Jazzy@yabbs Subject: re: read /i roth Date: Wed Aug 24 12:40:09 1994 Would you cut that out?! From Xela@yabbs Sat Aug 27 03:12:01 1994 From: Xela@yabbs To: htoaster@yabbs Subject: thanks Date: Sat Aug 27 03:12:01 1994 I'd like to thank you for running the bbs as well as you did, for as long as you did. I met a great bunch of people here, and had a few good arguments to boot. :) So I guess yabbsfest is out of the question? heheheh :) X From htoaster@yabbs Sat Aug 27 10:54:36 1994 From: htoaster@yabbs To: Xela@yabbs Subject: re: thanks Date: Sat Aug 27 10:54:36 1994 In message thanks, Xela said: > I'd like to thank you for running the bbs as well as you did, for as long > as you did. I met a great bunch of people here, and had a few good > arguments to boot. :) thanks... > So I guess yabbsfest is out of the question? heheheh :) yeah, well, maybe one will happen if another yabbs system goes up...i personally felt like it was falling apart about a month ago (which was okay with me, i'm not too into those things)... alex