From: MIKE GREENAWALD To: TURTLE Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/06/90 09:14:21 Message Number 7301 Incohearent hum I thought that I was relating rather well the events that occurred. Could it be that you are looking for a quick fix There isn't any. I am presenting a long trm statement with a twist. I have explained the twist several times to you but you seem to get lost. Today I recapped the statements of last week for you. Why don't you say something so that I can straighten out your delema with Sam. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:28:56 Message Number 7302 I have over three-hundred albums...all the Floyd stuff, and then some... Music is funny...I remember when trading albums was cool. The only problem was, the next morning, you were slightly upset when you realized they have your WALL, and you got their BEATLES in exchange....:) ANyhow, I'll read the e-mail.... The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:34:06 Message Number 7304 SEX THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN SEXUAL RREPRODUCTION CAN BE EQUATED WITH SODOMY.... Gee, what planet are you on? You must have an awful lot of children...I know I don't have sex for the sole purpose of bringing a child into the world...I have sex to express my love, and for pleasure, but I guess you consider that sodomy, too. DO you know what the definition of sodomy is? I think NOT. Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged, lists : sod'om-y, N. any sexual intercourse regarded as abnormal.... Well, you seem to regard any form of sexual intercourse as "dirty", am I not correct? It seems to me that you aren't having sex so often... nowadays, people don't just have sex to produce offspring. They have se x for many reasons...who are you to say which ones are right and which ones are wrong. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Earth. Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:43:00 Message Number 7305 Thanks, love...I'll try to stop by and pick them up... The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:45:49 Message Number 7306 This should be addressed to the SPECIALIST: As far as semen being digestable, well, shall we assume you have never had oral sex? Or shall we assume you act like an eighth grader "OOOOO...do you spit or swallow"...c'mon, grow up...semen is digestable, just like apple juice, or in your case, probably BEER. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: AJ-- Subject: Rights? Date & Time: 08/06/90 11:51:12 Message Number 7307 Thankyou...My cousin blew his brains out almost two years ago...he was gay, and he had AIDS. He worked in one of Sarasota's more prominent restaurants...Michael's on East. He had a severe allergic reaction to AZT, and was given a matter of months...he chose suicide, instead. It's very painful for me when someone says "if anyone in my family was gay, o r had AIDS, I'd disassociate with them". My cousin and I were very close...and trust me, if you were in the position, and you weren't a complete bigot, you'd change your mind....I can be a very cold person (ask my boyfriend), but I cannot be a bigot. There is a difference. Until you are put in a position where you have been assaulted or lived with AIDS, I ask you to tolerate. You've no reason to breed so much hatred. Gays are people, too...just like you and I. They have hearts, and very strong wills. You've no right to even WANT to take that away from them. Black Magic =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:02:03 Message Number 7308 I am not cute....now stop that! I miss you though...can't wait until the 27th... The LAdy =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:04:54 Message Number 7309 I've nothing wrong with what your ideas are. I'm at a loss for words, what you wrote was really nice...I'm not going to respond. The Lady :) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: yupper Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:06:43 Message Number 7310 Aside from sickness, yes, everythings okay....I'm having trouble lately. I'll leave you e-mail... The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: YNGLING Subject: Rights? Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:12:05 Message Number 7311 Their is a time and a place for laughter, my friend. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: YNGLING Subject: Earth? Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:12:45 Message Number 7312 Would you like a gardening assistant? The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:22:52 Message Number 7313 I have no desire to be blonde. I want to get rid of my reddish highlights...they don't belong in black hair. QED! The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:24:02 Message Number 7314 I rather like that statement, too....I know, I know..... ;) The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:25:16 Message Number 7315 NOT TRUE! Rufus WILL EXPLODE! You see, I know this...don''t even think about questioning me on this one! :> The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:32:28 Message Number 7316 Forget it, dear...the man is into Ns's completley....if he could keep his train of thought maybe he could hold a semi-intelligent conversation ..... The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: downloading Date & Time: 08/06/90 12:34:51 Message Number 7317 SUNTAN...if you could hold out until somewhere around the latter half of the month, I think I might be able to come up with a manual.... Black Magic ( The Lady ) =========== From: BIG LEW To: SUNTAN Subject: ZIP Date & Time: 08/06/90 13:19:39 Message Number 7319 I, too, may be able to locate a manual for you although some of the read ing in these manuals is BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a couple of days, OK? You will need PKZ102.exe to unzip your files. I downloaded from The Cutting Board, a very nice local BBS, also. 753-5202. Have fun and remember unzip and zip (to upload). =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:24:06 Message Number 7320 >> Sam...needs an answer... > Okay, the answer is 42. I concur, but I don't think Mike will get it... Rest assured, though, Mike, 42 IS the answer. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: New Subject Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:26:58 Message Number 7321 > How can anyone be /afraid/ of knives... Everyone who has ever showed me one has weilded it in a disturbing fashion. I don't like it when they do it becuase I don't like it. =========== From: BEATLE To: MIKE GREENAWALD Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:32:05 Message Number 7322 > Ken you are the only dude I know who has a two part handle. What about The Specialist or Zot Gnop? =========== From: BEATLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/06/90 14:33:28 Message Number 7323 > you realized they have your WALL, and you got their BEATLES in excange Grrr... Is their an inbred hated towards the Beatles on this board?? Alright, I've never really listened to The Wall, but the Beatles stuff is good, very good. Unless you are listening to stuff from 1962 to 1965, then it's just slightly above average. I like it, but it wasn't majorly creative. =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/06/90 15:49:56 Message Number 7324 When I was still a newlywed, and worked three jobs, my wife asked for a poodle to keep her company. I saw an ad in the paper one day and went to see this poodle that was for sale. I rang the doorbell, the door opened, and this poodle ran out and pissed on my foot. "Gee, she's never done that before." they all said. Now, six years later, when you visit the house of the Yngling you have to dance when you first arrive because the damn thing still tries to piss on the feet of anyone who rings the doorbell...of course it comes in handy when the God Squad or the Avon lady shows up uninvited...:> The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Rights? Date & Time: 08/06/90 16:09:02 Message Number 7325 Dearest Lady - >Their is a time and a place for laughter Always and everywhere >,my friend. Thank you. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: BEATLE Subject: knives Date & Time: 08/06/90 16:18:27 Message Number 7326 Beatle, Unfortunatley there are many to whom a knife or a gun is in fact a phallic symbol used to hide their own feelings of inadequatecy (SIC?) - ghod, I hate it when I spout psychobabble but in this case its true - but the art of making and weilding edged weapons is a time honored one and shouldnt be the source of the fears you have described. An asshole is an asshole whether he has a knife, a gun, or nothing in his hand. Maybe some day someone will teach you a little about the martial arts and you'll overcome this fear you have. The Yngling P.S. to Turtle: Amen to your comments re: katana. =========== From: YNGLING To: BEATLE Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/06/90 16:25:07 Message Number 7327 What about me? Sure leave The Yngling out......sniff. =========== From: TURTLE To: MIKE GREENAWALD Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/06/90 21:57:59 Message Number 7329 Even the best of points is lost if you relate it in a manner that's incoherent, excessively verbose, or simply boring. Over the past several weeks, I've read a whole series of messages from you about Sam; so far, you've repeated over and over that (a) he got drunk, (b) you like his chest; (c) he got drunk; (d) you put him on a table; (e) he got drunk. It's taken you about a thousand words to relate that much. If you have a point, please, get to it. I hardly think the responsibility for my failure to grasp your point lies with me. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: New Subject Date & Time: 08/06/90 22:04:02 Message Number 7330 Sounds to me like you're afraid of the person holding the knife, not the object itself. Without a person behind it, a knife is totally inert. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/06/90 22:04:59 Message Number 7331 >I like it, but it wasn't majorly creative. "I wanna hold your hand, yeah, yeah, I wanna hold your hand....dribble, dribble..." "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah... dribble dribble snort..." Nothing personal, but I've read more original material on the back of cereal boxes. Beatles fanaticism baffles me just as much as Elvis fanaticism. =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: Laughter... Date & Time: 08/06/90 22:08:09 Message Number 7332 BM>There is a time and a place for laughter. Y>Always and everywhere. Really? Like, say, at an execution, or while someone's drowning? =========== From: BEATLE To: YNGLING Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/06/90 23:10:51 Message Number 7333 > What about me? ...sniff. I only see one word above, but I'm sorry I left you out. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: New Subject Date & Time: 08/06/90 23:12:24 Message Number 7334 > Sounds to me like you're afraid of the person holding the knife... Yeah, that's proabably more correct. I need some doctor to eliminate my paranoia of people coming (or looking) into my house at night...that always leads me to thoughts of knife-weilding maniacs breaking in and murdering my family... =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: TURTLE Subject: Laughter... Date & Time: 08/07/90 02:59:02 Message Number 7339 It would depend on your mood and the individuals involved. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sex Date & Time: 08/07/90 03:57:34 Message Number 7340 HERE HERE!!! I approve of your statement whole-heartedly and I applaud you on your free spirit and open mind. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: BEATLE Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/07/90 04:01:33 Message Number 7341 I KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS!!!!!! NAH NEE NAH NEE POO POO!!!!!!!!! =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: TURTLE Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/07/90 04:06:13 Message Number 7342 Yes, it's true. I have seen the Beatles on my refrigerator and have alerted the Press. THE BEATLES LIVE FOREVER =========== From: MIKE GREENAWALD To: BEATLE Subject: New Subject Date & Time: 08/07/90 08:40:16 Message Number 7343 You have heard of Turtle soup haven't you? He doesn't want to loose a fl flipper. =========== From: MIKE GREENAWALD To: TURTLE Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/07/90 08:44:29 Message Number 7344 Sylvia likes his chest. I could care less. I do like kathy's chest though. As I stated before the repeat was because you asked me for it. Remember the statement that Said that you didn't6 understand. I repeated the verse untill you did. I believe that you now realize that I follow what you say with great interest. If you or the other dudes do not request reviews or comment to me I assume that you are ready for new sections. I should not say it that way. Your feedback helps when it is constructive. If I kill a line or a point tell me but otherwise cool it and I will get done if that is what you want. I believe that todays lines will shead a lot of light on just who Sam is. The young lady who asked for Sam the other day hung up to fast. .s =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: greener grass.. Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:40:55 Message Number 7345 >my parents don't want me to mow out lawn when they're not home... Well, you could get hurt from the lawnmower. How? I dunno. I've been using mowers for sometime now, and the worst that's happened to me is hitting a hill of red ants and blowing them all over my legs. Ouch! =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Bwoing! Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:44:44 Message Number 7346 >Perhaps some electric bagpipes??? ARRGGH!!! My neighbor gives bagpipe lessons. Lemme tell ya, it's not a pretty sound. The bagpipes can have a wonderful sound, but in the hands of amatures, it's, well, shit. =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:48:56 Message Number 7347 >Look, that remark [Exxon is 10 cents cheaper] was sarcastic when I said >it. No doubt, but pulling into the Exxon and buying the gas, well, that wouldn't fall under sarcastic. >That's all it is with you, isn't it? And I thought you were a nice >guy. Me, nice guy, never. I'm a nasty SOB, but you still love me. =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/07/90 12:55:56 Message Number 7348 >I am not cute....now stop that! Ohh, if you insist. Adorable? >I miss you though... Yea, sure...no one misses me. >can't wait until the 27th... Oh, I can. Nothing special this year except for Human Anatomy. That'll give me 5 sciences and 5 maths, and 4 English. Not bad... =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:00:47 Message Number 7349 >NOT TRUE! Rufus WILL EXPLODE! Ohhh, sometimes your so sweet to me. :) =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: New Subject Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:02:24 Message Number 7350 >Everyone who has ever showed me one has weilded it in a distrubing >fashion. Aha, it's the person with the knife, not the knife. I have a friend who is pretty adept with a knife. When he's using it, it doesn't bother me. Then there was the kid at my house who found our large knife set. That scared me. =========== From: RUFUS To: YNGLING Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:04:42 Message Number 7351 I'd rather have a poodle piss on my foot than a Scottish Terrier bite my foot. =========== From: RUFUS To: ZOT GNOP Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:08:21 Message Number 7352 >NAH NEE NAH NEE POO POO!!!!!!!!! You, an uneducated mortal, trying to call Him. It just won't work. If you'd like, I'd be happy to show you the full ceremony. Just saying the words won't do it. Sheesh, some people! =========== From: RUFUS To: CHA CHA CHA Subject: ahC ahC ahC Date & Time: 08/07/90 13:13:53 Message Number 7353 Great, I've got Mulligan asking me what a phagocytic index is. Hell, I don't even know what it is. Now I've got Sam, the equivalent of Kathy Ireland with a bad attitude, pissing Mulligan off. Now my shoulder's really hurting, and the smell of burnt cloth, wood, and plastic is getting to me. Neat, now I'm swaying back and forth, and look, Sam has a twin. So does Mulligan. "Sam, dear, I'm going to pass out." Before I hit the floor, landing on my tail, I see a familiar looking dwarf, who appears very irritated. =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: Laughter... Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:14:10 Message Number 7354 If I were the one being executed damn right I'd laugh...and as for a drowning - yes - after saving the victim, of course. There is NO time when laughter is inappropriate - as long as you laugh for the right reasons.......... The Yngling "Joy is in the ears that hear." -Stephen Donaldson The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Incessant Whiner Whom I Hate To Quote But It Fit So I Really Had No Choice Ghod I Hate It When That Happens =========== From: YNGLING To: BEATLE Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:18:48 Message Number 7355 My handle is THE Yngling (despite what the silly message heading says). Apology accepted. :) The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: ZOT GNOP Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:22:14 Message Number 7356 >THE BEATLES LIVE FOREVER No shit. Ive tried Diazanon, I've tried moth balls, I cant kill the little buggers and theyre digging holes all over my lawn. Its really driving me crazy. The Obsessed With His Lawn Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: RUFUS Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:30:09 Message Number 7358 O.K.....ummmm...whats your point? Did you actually /have/ a Scottish terrier bite your foot or is this just an irrational fear you felt you had to get off your chest (or foot as the case appears to be). The Yngling =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: YNGLING Subject: Rights? Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:45:43 Message Number 7360 Thank YOU. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: ZOT GNOP Subject: sex Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:47:15 Message Number 7361 Why thank you, though I do feel I don't deserve any applause. One should not need to be applauded for an open mind, that should be thanks enough. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:51:44 Message Number 7362 :) I am not adorable, either...I do wish you'd stop that...it's quite embarrassing. I MISS you...and I CAN'T wait for the 27th so there! Lacey =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/07/90 16:52:49 Message Number 7363 Aren't I, though? :> The Lady =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:32:12 Message Number 7364 TS>>The "predisposition" ... TS>>> T> Do you also make the same claim about oral sex...blah, blah, etc. t> Nobody asked me that. As a matter of fact, the only reason this whole thing started was that I called Bobby McFerrin a faggot. Of course, Donthen objected to the word "faggot" and then I posted a really rude letter about faggots, which conveniently got 'erased' in a 'disk failure'. I note that you didn't debate my point about whether or not that 'predisposition' was the defect in question. Hmm. I suppose there is something pretty gross about someone licking someone else's genitals. After all, that IS where urine comes from. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:38:03 Message Number 7365 TS>>Any sex that does not result in sexual reproduction...blah, etc. TS> T>A minor semantic quibble here, rather than a conceptual one ... T> True, what I meant was "that cannot result in"...I stand corrected. And it is not minor, at all. What do you mean 'semantic' as opposed to 'conceptual'? Sounds like bullshit with no bearing on the conversation at large... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Real analogs Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:42:58 Message Number 7366 I see...so now you believe in consenting eggplants, right? And you missed the point, whether or not semen is digestable is more irrelavant that what I was saying; it was not meant to be eaten as was eggplant. T>Therefore, judging anybody on the basis of a stereotype is at best T>risky and at worst does them--and you--a grave injustive. Yes, I suppose judging *anybody* on the basis of a stereotype isn't right. But if you wandered downtown Harlem (no offense, tyring to make a point) and ran into a young b,Ock man who exhibited all the signs of someone who might be apt to rob you (or a white, or chicano, or whathaveyou) would you refrain from "judgement based on stereotype"? Or would you walk up and introduce yourself? "Hi, my name's Franklin, but my freinds call me---oooph!" (Man running away) So you can see that in all cases judging by stereotype isn't inaccurate (despite how "wrong (SHIT!) it might be). Besides, I don't like faggots anyway. If someone looks like a faggot and acts like a faggot, I don't want to hang out with them anyway. And I would be doing THEM a favor, too. What fag would want to hang out with a fag hater? And if they didn't act like that, I still would not want to hang with them, because I know what they are really like. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:53:42 Message Number 7367 T>"Butt out." Thank you. T>Yeah, throw in Watts and we'd have three of a kind [need something, T>something] to beat us! Or a loaded sixshooter. T>Then again, if I were /not/ tolerant of other people's views, I T>almost certainly would have stopped speaking to you or associating T>you by now. No, you wouldn't have, quite the contrary, you'd be on my side. You wouldn't be able to tolereate homoperversity, in that case. (Heheh...touche'. Kind of a tricky logic to it, eh?) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: AJ-- Subject: Christian? HAH! Date & Time: 08/07/90 17:59:09 Message Number 7368 AJT>People like you who are closed and center minded and think THEY are AJT>ALWAYS right "...Oooh!..." AJT>...Make me sick...you know what I am getting at? No, but I know what you are GETTING. Grrr. Why am I posting to you? You are sick, I shouldn't get upset. I understand, and believe me, I feel sorry for you. You have my deepest sympathy. I feel more sorry for you than someone who has herpes. At least someday they may find a cure for herpes. Your problem is psycological...can't be cured. Never. Poor guy (or gay). =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:08:43 Message Number 7369 B>Most people, however, who would be against homosexualit [sic] probably B>have never met a homosexual. Hmm...and I think the reverse true, also...ie, some people who aren't against it may have never met one. It sounds like a good point, but that doesn't really prove anything. I see at least you acknowledge my point...more people against than for; regardless of how "ignorant" and "uninformed" we may be. (Note that the words are in quotes, implying that I used someone else's words...I don't think we are...) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:13:05 Message Number 7370 B>Ha! And you talk about cheap shots. Sorry, i was in a bad mood after being shot AT. Remeber, I didn't start it, I just fought back. (Still not too bright to shoot at EVERYBODY.) Mea Culpa. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:16:22 Message Number 7371 For the most part, I have already figured out your attitude. With the stipulation that it is a sickness, you are trying to understand, but the other example you have given me; B>mental illness, alcoholism, and things along those lines... are not good examples. Alcoholism can be treated, for one. Mental illnesses, (depending on thier severity) can also be treated. Obviously alcohol abuse is not the norm, and equally obviously, mental illness. Yes, they are still a part of society. But suppose you ran a business. Would you hire an alcoholic? Or a severely mentally ill person? I don't think so, but is that discrimination? And I don't think you have assumed my arguement...you are still defending. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:29:42 Message Number 7372 As far as the question you asked me (homos going hetero)...I get the impression that you are trying to prove that it is (or was) a matter of choice. It's kind of tricky, really. Just because a person act sane, doesn't mean that he is. Let me correlate...a fag goes straight. Is he still sick? No one knows, except him. Does he still think about other men? No one knows, except him. The inclination to be homo from the outset indicates mental illness. If by chance he totally manages to go completely straight, then he can still be haunted by his memories. He may be "cured" as an alcoholic reforms, but he still used to be sick. TS>It does as far as sexual relations is concerned. B>WHY!? Back that up! It's very simple. I will repeat what I have been saying all along. It wasn't designed to go like that. Square pegs in round holes... such a simple concept...why is is to hard for you to grasp? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:41:01 Message Number 7373 BM>Who left you in charge of morality? (etc, etc) No one. BM>...you've no right, or logical reason to... Right? I have every RIGHT. Logical reason? Don't need one. BM>...remember, AIDS isn't just a homosexuals [sic] disease.. No, not any more. Not since those SICKOS spread it to normal people. BM>When was the last time your life was threatened...sexual preference? No, but I never threatened anyone. BM>Accept people for who they are.. Yes, I do. And I don't accept them on the same basis. BM>If you don't like them, [simple] STAY AWAY! I do. Consistenly. "Why waste your venomn on me, Princess?" It cracks me up that you the person who advocates rights for everybody, would deny me the right to express my opinion. As far as logical reasons, I must admit that hate is not a 'logical' emotion. Of course it doesn't have any logical reasons to back it up, other than what rationalizations the person with the hate can come up with. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/07/90 18:56:19 Message Number 7374 BM>I see no reason for people to hate homosexuals... Have you looked? BM>...they have not inflicted pain upon you, why do to them. I'll get back to that. BM>This should really be addressed to all the assholes on the board. BMI hate the way you look at a homosexual and want to destroy him. You BM>wonder why we're all so fucked up? Ever stop and look at yourselves? My, my a little touchy aren't we? First time OTR? Or what? 1. I don't want to "destroy" homosexuals. I wish they could be helped. 2. To whom do you refer in the collective term "we"? Doesn't this place you in your own category of 'asshole' by association? 3. I have stopped and looked at myself. I am aware that I fall way, way short of what would be my optimum. I am happy there. Oh, yeah, where do you get off saying that they've never inflicted pain upon me? How do YOU know? Maybe someone close to me DIED as result of something they did!! I think maybe unless you know what you are talking about FOR SURE then you shouldn't say "YOU". =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Not heart Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:09:40 Message Number 7375 In fact, I did. (From one smartass to another, cheers!) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:11:00 Message Number 7376 BM>Your post does not deserve a response...it's a waste of valuable (Thats moot) BM>breath. Then, why did you waste my time responding? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BIG LEW Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:22:13 Message Number 7377 BL>ANTI Well, thanks for the support, and I hope that you have your OWN opinion and haven't picked up somone elses. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: DOS 3.3 Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:24:09 Message Number 7378 Turtle, I thought you knew MuSh-DOS! Xteve, the proper command (depending on who made your DOS) is: device = driver.sys /d:1 /c /f:2 All that other garbage was put in your DOS manual for the express purpose of confusing you. At least, I think so. Or you could use driveparm (if it's part of your software) the same way...I've found versions which don't use it or won't recognise it. The command above sets up your 3.5 as another device, drive C: or D: depending on whether or not you have a hard drive...it makes it the last drive in the system. You hav eto use this designation when formatting, but otherwise treat it as an ordinary B: drive. You probably already have set it up but I had to refute Turtle... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Truth Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:34:12 Message Number 7379 Well, now, waitaminute. I never said that I didn't believe in God. I am sure that there is a God, by circumstancial evidence if nothing else. I don't say that it's YOUR God, or any one elses. (Thier HAS to be a God, all these things that are could not have been simply by chance...about as much chance as me throwing a truckload of lumber out into the universe and it coming together to form a house...not bloodly likely.) So, I think there is a God...but I don't KNOW that all this h hullaballoo that all the Christians or Jews or any other religion offers up is really going to impress him. I don't KNOW that the books you offer as (dyslectic keyboard) proof of 'God's word' are actually God's word. (Hell, they were written by men! Don't give me that crap about 'divinely inspired', either.) And I resent that I have to worship him or else end up in hell. Damn right I do. I just think that the bible is a load of bullshit written to control people. And it has, if you think about it. Sorry, but until I get proof...real proof...I'm not convinced. It remains bullshit. I'm not as eloquent as Turtle, but he has a very, VERY valid point. And he expresses it perfectly. I can't say that with enough conviction in type. I admire him for his eloquence, certainly. I think he's a little weakminded on one other thing, though. I guess that I'll obey Gods word...when I hear it from GOD. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:45:52 Message Number 7380 No, no, no!!! The 'predisposition' IS the disease! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:47:34 Message Number 7381 I dropped because I made a typo. I mean, $1000 (one thousand dollars) and that's what it'd cost...(I priced 'em). Your buddy have a 340 or a 440? I am sorry if I accused you through my words of being hi-n-mighty, I never meant that. I believe that I might take you up on that gentlemans bet (even though I make a poor gentleman) A majority does exist, and as a rule, BBS'ers tend to be much more openminded than the populace at large. That wouldn't be an accurate survey. I wouldn't even call it close. Also, a lot of the people you see here are on other BBS's locally... so again, not a good cross section. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/07/90 19:58:22 Message Number 7382 Ok, ok, no more cheap shots. I apologise to all the OTHERS who didn't deserve such pettiness. Note that I said others...eye for an eye.... I believe in fairness, too. Interesting point...that an encounter doesn't obligate one, but I believe that you anticipated that I wouldn't think of that...so the implied insult is just as valid as if it were real. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Guitars Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:04:16 Message Number 7383 (Most important first) Dianne - qualifies. Dan Fogleburg...I'm not sure which album I like best...prob the one wiht "Leader of the Band" & "Auld Langsyne" Homosexuals- No, not in the same league as Blacks. I've met blacks I like. I've met blacks I didn't like. I never met a gay I liked. (and yes, I've met a few.) Comparing lifestyles to genetics is also nonsense. Homo isn't just a lifestyle, it's (here we go again) a jsut plain (*sigh*) sick. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: OOps! Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:11:58 Message Number 7384 Thats right! I'm a straight! I win! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: YNGLING Subject: Homosexuals Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:17:31 Message Number 7385 Hey, glad to see you back..sorry about your lawn. Yeah, I know, debates tire me out after a while, too, but I hate to let them get the last word on an issue which they are dead wrong on. It goes against my grain. (Immature, childish) Wow, long time to hear from, eh? Quit the storyboard, I see. What happened? Just up and said, "Eh, stupid shit."? Oh well, my charater is sitting there with his thumb up his *** anyway.... I guess I'm too tired to post after arguing with (seems like) everyone! (*Sigh*). Hear any good jokes lately? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: KEN OBER Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:26:25 Message Number 7386 That was great! Y'know, you just made me think of something else... anyone who actually HAD a homo experience is homo! AAACK! That means that anyone who DID is STILL homo! If I'm among the 30% who has the problem, then I'll accept the lable sick with pride... But I don't think that I'm in a minority, Ken.... I'm in a majority. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: KEN OBER Subject: gee... Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:33:59 Message Number 7387 KO>of course, he'd always have the option of killing himself. Or, (more likely) AJ. Pretty repulsive, Ken. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: KEN OBER Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/07/90 20:36:52 Message Number 7388 That was funny! I laughed till I was dizzy! Ok, YOU find a new subject besides ecology & marxism. (Which YOU seem to be hung up on.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: semen Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:09:36 Message Number 7389 My, my we ARE OTR aren't we? I made an error. In any case, like Turtle, you missed my point. Read my messge to him for an updated version. And WHO stereotypes? I HATE beer, and given a choice, would PREFER fruit juice. You've never met me, but you are as guilty as I am of stereotyping. Better get your act together...you speak out for peoples rights, but deny mine, and say you hate people who stereotype, then turn right around and classify me as a beer drinker. How in the hell did you get that idea? I'm dissapointed in your 'altruistic' nature. You are a farce. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: HANDLE Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:20:04 Message Number 7390 My handle is not two part..."The" simply refers to Specialist...if you took it that way, then you could say, The Turtle, or The Beatle, or even the Angel. You have a point with Zot Gnop, though... =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:39:37 Message Number 7391 My friend Mark was tooling down I-20 in Shreveport Louisiana and a slight (enuf ro slick the road) rain fell. A gal cut him off and he went down. He has a framed copy of an accident report that has a witness statement that he passed her in her Mustang at 60 on the seat of his pants! He had a little road rash but his leathers protected his posterior. He still has the top half of his cowboy boots that had the heels ground off in this escapade. =========== From: JONBOY To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:45:36 Message Number 7392 I have Frank Zappa's Live at the Roxy and Elsewhere. "An I tol' the devil - barf her back up here!" I'm a big Zappa fan... My favorite is the "Illinois Enema Bandit" it is actually a /hell/ of a good blues tune. =========== From: JONBOY To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:48:27 Message Number 7393 Amazing - it's only been a couple of days since I logged on and I feel like your post is right out of the twilight zone. I hardly (nahhh I /still/ don't) see anything that resembles a post I made. I will attempt to correlate your blatherings to some things I stated: I posted an open question on what age would generally be conceeded to be or should be a "legal" age. The only statement I made dealing with animals was that it was cruel behavior to involve an unwilling animal for the purposes of sexual gratification. The practise being referred to was gerbilling. Please get yer shit together before posting again. =========== From: JONBOY To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/07/90 21:54:31 Message Number 7394 It must be wonderful to have such a simplistic view of life - unencumbered by facts. Men have been wearing earrings on and off for centuries and yet it is still held to be a feminine /affectation/. A trait is something that is endemic to the gender. The clothes that are worn does not a trait make. Your morals have absolutely nothing to do with another human beings sexual preference. I know that it must be devastating to realize or have to grip with the reality of the situation but you really must stop being so egocentric as to believe that /your/ beliefs are in any way influential to someone who has resolved to lead their life as they see fit. JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: AJ because I know what they are really like. You admitted that you have never known a homosexual. Please mainatain a consistent (ie believable) line. =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/07/90 22:53:20 Message Number 7407 TS>bebause a person act sane, doesn't mean that he is. TS>.a fag goes straight. No way Jose' - if he is truly gay then that he remains there is no "cure as you so crudely put it. My friend in Utah used to take a woman every now and then to maintain the illusion of being straight. He confided that he really hated it because every sexually transmitted disease he had ever gotten was from a woman! He asked if that correlated with my experience and I said no. He used to puzzle about that... =========== From: ANGEL To: BEATLE Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/08/90 00:58:29 Message Number 7409 Wish I could tell you more about it, but can't remember any more details. Read the story originally in TV Guide and later heard it repeated by the producer of SNL in a radio interview. This was several years ago during the time of Billy Crystal and that group. SNL always has to have at least one repeat ready to run in case for some reason (technical or otherwise) they cannot air a live show. The choice of re-run must be approved by the broadcast standards department (censors). At this time they wanted to have as backups several episodes from the original season; the network censors banned them. =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: MPAA Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:07:09 Message Number 7410 Okay, help me out on these film ratings. I had been told once (by a rather unreliable source) that there was no "X" rating from the MPAA, that that was shorthand for MPAA giving no rating to a film. Don't know where I can look to see if that's true or just manifest bullshit (tm). =========== From: ANGEL To: MIKE GREENAWALD Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:18:46 Message Number 7411 I am totally confused by this message thread. MG> If you or the other dudes do not request reviews or comment to me MG> I assume that you are ready for new sections. Here's a comment ... new sections of what? If you are quoting verse, please give us a hint and use quotation marks. MG> If I kill a line or a point tell me How about helping me out and just tell me and everyone else what the heck you're doing. Without knowing what you are attempting, I'm afraid your posts are reading to me like jumbled, unconnected sentences with no reason and point. That is my review/comment. -- Confused Angel =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: YNGLING Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:53:27 Message Number 7412 Probably the best way ta rid yahself of them little buggers is ta purch-ass yoself a AR-15 A-salt rifle and blow dem little @#$%^&* right offa the face o' dis here planet-like. It works even better ifin ya use the new and eem-prooved .223 Bug Buster Special round. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: open minds Date & Time: 08/08/90 01:58:48 Message Number 7413 When confronted with so many close minded individuals in this world (especially in regards to sex), it's just so refreshing to hear from someone who looks at things objectively and judges them as they are, not as they are labeled by the 'moral majority'. (Though I admit that I myself have been guilty of unfair prejudices more often than I would like to have been.) Oh yeah. Rufus says your cute :) =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: ALL Subject: WHAT THE HEY!?! Date & Time: 08/08/90 03:09:31 Message Number 7414 "EEGADS RUFUS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE FLOOR????!!!!" With a tone and inflection usually reserved for the mentally deranged , what appeared to be an enraged dwarf stumped into the bar. He was only about a meter tall and from his head radiated an almost halo-ish mass of black hair, which cascaded down the front of his head only to merge with a beard which not only covered his body from chest to cheek, but looked like it had taken several centuries to grow. In back, he had a thick black braid which, had it not been draped over the large oblong bag slung over one shoulder, would surely have trailed out the door by which he had just entered. Turning almost as one, the denizens of the bar regarded him with a mixture of reactions that ranged from startled suspicion all the way to amused perplexity. Suddenly aware of this abrupt flurry of scrutiny, the dwarf grunted once and promptly made his way over to the fallen form of the hapless insurance salesman. "Ghods, Ruf. You look terrible." The response was long in coming. "Well, aren't ya gonna say somtin'" Realizing that something was amiss, the strange little man bent low over Rufus' inert form and peered at him intently. After a few more moments had gone by, he straightened up, looked around in apparent confusion, and started rummaging through his own pockets. With a cry of almost child-like glee, he resurfaced holding a roll of white cloth, a small vial, and something else which was obscured by his holding it close to his chest. the short, stocky figure then hunched low over Rufus' body, thus making certain that no one could see what he was doing clearly. Without warning, the dwarf started humming loudly. The tune struck a familiar note in Turtle's memory. There was a sound like a spritzer bottle being used, and just as quiclky as he had fallen, Rufus (freshly bandaged, trenchcoat and all) sprung to his feet. "HUNGGUH GUH HUH HUNH NUH", Rufus exclaimed loudly. "Like, relax dude. It'll wear off in =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: New Subject Date & Time: 08/08/90 03:43:29 Message Number 7415 Yeah, you think it's hard on YOU...imagine us poor people who have to suffer day in and day out with paranoid thoughts of sneaking into your house at night with a knife and murdering your family...BRRRR! I lie awake nights thinking about it...I can't sleep. Drives me nuts. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: greener grass.. Date & Time: 08/08/90 03:47:57 Message Number 7416 I know a person who was engaged in a tragic lawn mower accident once. See, he was mowing his lawn, which he'd let go for quite too long, with the result that it was most unmanageable. Anyway, he accidentallly uncovered a unit of Green Berets who had mistaken his lawn for Cambodia and were on manuvers, which (as you might expect) startled them almost as much as it startled him. Anyway, they responded with the grace that has made the Green Berets a shining legend in the hallowed halls of diplomacy the world over; they shot him. One hundred and forty-seven times. They also shelled his lawn mower and called down an aerial strike on the poodle he'd lost in there three or four months earlier. (The poodle, lost and alone for months, had reverted to its true roots by then, which is a different story...suffice it to say that the dog commandeered an Apache assault chopper and inflicted grevious damage on the Green Berets' position before it was finally taken out. Scary things, those poodles.) This activity had the unintended side effect of severly startling his young neighbor, Jimmy, who was in the back yard playing stickball, with the result that he accidentally and /not/ on purpose as some people claim knocked a baseball through the window of an innocent, if crabby, old lady down the street, causing the destruction of her entire collection of "Star Trek" hand-painted china plates she ordered from The Franklin Mint. Those power lawn-mowers--tools of the Devil they are, and hard on china too. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:01:06 Message Number 7417 >I suppose there is something pretty gross about [oral sex]... I take it you've never tried it then. Thank you; that explains a lot. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Real analogs Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:03:27 Message Number 7418 >If you [encountered] a young black man who shows all the signs that >he might want to rob you... ...depending on the situation, I may just walk up and introduce myself, yes. I've done it before. I'm still alive. >And if they didn't act like that, I still would not want to hang with >them, because I know what they are really like. So. If they act in accordance with your stereotype you hate them for it and if they do NOT act in accordance with your stereotype you hate them because that isn't what they're "really like"? Pray tell, what is a homosexual individual "really like"? Enquiring minds want to know. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:06:51 Message Number 7419 I do not believe homosexuality is wrong. You disagree. If I were to fail to associate with people who disagree with my beliefs, I would not associate with you. Is simple, n'est pas? Not all bigots are gay bashers. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Truth Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:13:05 Message Number 7420 >Their [sic] HAS to be a God... A God? /A/ God? Even an agnostic can be indoctorinated by a monotheistic culture, yes? I would say that either no god or a multitude of gods would be more likely than a /single/ god--if one can exist, why ONLY one? =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Bwoing! Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:20:36 Message Number 7421 >The BagPipes From Hell! What, you really think a sentient being (personified evil or no) would allow electric bagpipes in his /home/? I would think Satan'd be more likely to help little old ladies across the street than allow something like that in Hell...some things are just /too/ nasty... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:22:29 Message Number 7422 I've read "Ender's Game" but not "Speaker for the Dead." I don't recall much discussion about artificial intelligences in "Ender's Game," but it's been a while since I read it. Speaking of which...have you ever read "Neuromancer"? Interesting point in that book: an artificial intelligence, even one whose hardware was modeled after a human brain, would likely be so alien to humanity from the standpoint of worldview, self-image, even basic motivational forces, that getting a handle on what would motivate such a thing or how it would react in a given situation would be essentially impossible. It'd possibly be even more alien than an intelligence from a different evolutionary scheme that was still organic--like, say, aliens from another planet or a "Star Trek" rerun. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Knifes Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:26:59 Message Number 7423 The longer sword is a katana; the shorter is a wakazashi. (Wakasashi? Dammit, I should know, but my head is filled with a neat-O sleepy fog.) The genuine articles are /very/ rare and most are worth tens of thousands of dollars at the very least. The only person I've ever known who owns a set has had them in his family for generations; he takes them to Japan to have them sharpened, and /NOBODY/ save for maybe three people is allowed to touch them EVER. There is a great deal of ritual that surrounds everything from the forging to the cleaning of a katana; it's absolutely amazing. Watching someone handle one of these things is rather like being privy to a very intense religious experience. --- To my knowledge, the Jody Samson piece I have isn't available anywhere any more. They only made 250 of them, and I got mine about... lessee...three years or so ago. Mine is #9 in the series, and the guy I bought it from expectd the rest of them to be gone within six months of that time, so... It's kind of nice to own a genuine collectors' item that won't be destroyed by being rained upon (like, say, a set of "Watchmen" first printings)... :) =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: knives Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:34:47 Message Number 7424 Yeup, it is in fact illegal to sell swords and such with a "live" edge unless you have all sorts of bizzare licenses and such...Why? I can't imagine. Of course, I also can't imagine why people want to ban the sale of toy guns AND KEEP THE REAL ONES, so what do I know? You'd think that a society which has no problem with mass availability of assault rifles wouldn't bother with things like /swords/, fer Chrissakes, but I guess the difference is you can't load a sword with teflon-coated "Cop Killer" bullets and go out lookin' for deer wearing body armor. =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: MPAA Date & Time: 08/08/90 04:38:56 Message Number 7425 The MPAA does have an "X" rating, and they do apply it to films. The difference between the "X" rating and other ratings is that the other ratings have been copyrighted by the MPAA; that is, you can't call a film "Rated R" unless that rating was given to the film BY the MPAA. The "X" rating, being uncopyrighted, can be applied to anything by anyone, and as a result has been more or less taken over by the industry that produces pornographic movies, with the result that the "X" has become synonymous with porn (NOT the original intent). There is a proposal afoot now to replace the "X" rating with a copyrighted "A" (for "adult"), which could be applied to movies that are not pornographic but would otherwise receive an "X"; presumably, makers of porno flicks would not go through the MPAA ratings process and would continue to use the "X" rating, providing a fairly obvious distinction between, say, "Debbie Does Dallas" and "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover." (Were they actually to be reviewed, though, they'd both recieve an "A"--the MPAA itself is not set up to differentiate between pornography and "serious" films, which is as it should be.) Anyway, yes, the "X" is a real rating. Films with an "X" which the producers don't want to edit are frequently released unrated, though that's the choice of the movie company and not pecause the X isn't a genuine rating. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Christian? HAH! Date & Time: 08/08/90 13:53:04 Message Number 7426 Your post to AJ makes me want to commit a violent crime. Psychology is in the mind, literally...you deserve to die. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/08/90 13:55:51 Message Number 7427 Damn straight, I am a princess in the worst way...my venomn is strong, and there is much to go around...I advocate rights for all races, except people who choose to express an opinion that causes strife...one that manifests hatred...my opinion may, too, manifest hatred...hatred that I express to you. Hatred is a strong feeling, and one that should not b e used in jest. I only hate those who hate others...and, for your information, AIDS was never a GAY only disease...germs do not choose people by colour, as some people seem to do. You really make me sick. You are an insult to the human race. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:00:50 Message Number 7428 I say "YOU" vehemently. You are obviously lacking something in the mental department, so maybe we should set you and your "faggot" hangups with a good psychologist. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Truth Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:10:02 Message Number 7430 OH, do we have something against dyslexia (sp) now, too? Figures...only a person of your content would. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: semen Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:12:54 Message Number 7431 I have feelings, and I try not to step on other peoples feelings.... however, when someone does step on someones' feelings, I just get this serious urge to kill them...that does not make me a farce...that makes me more real than you shall ever be... =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:16:32 Message Number 7432 :) I think the old saying "If you want to be friends with someone, don't discuss personal matters, such as gay rights (in this case)", is really quite true...I'm deeply disturbed that as I am about to log off this board I have a hatred inside me. Anyhow, how 'bout them Mets? Black Magic =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: ZOT GNOP Subject: open minds Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:21:52 Message Number 7434 Thank you...I AM NOT CUTE...and I too, at one point in my life have been guilty of an unfair prejudice, but that is what made me think twice. For if I am not prejudiced against someone else, then maybe they shan't be prejudiced against me...live an let live...when your going to die, that's always a nice comfort. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: ??? Date & Time: 08/08/90 14:40:34 Message Number 7435 > ...when your going to die, that's always a nice comfort. ??????? =========== From: MAX To: ALL Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/08/90 15:52:05 Message Number 7436 Well, I now have 400 messages to go through offline! I'll respond to a few of them individually later, I suspect, but I can't help but make one or two comments right now. At the risk of setting off Angel's censorship alarms, if this was on the Den instead of A/R, this message would be a warning to both Black Magic and the Specialist. You two are descending into ad hominem attacks on other users, and that's the one sort of message I would NEVER tolerate on my own board -- and, yes, would delete. You could disagree with me or anyone else and attack their arguments visciously, but when you told another user to "f*** off" that crosses my personal boundaries of what can and can't be said. Personally, I think both Magic's message to the Specialist and his message to AJ should be grounds for dropping the entire thread (or pushing it back on topic, at least), or dropping their accounts. Luckily for those concerned, this isn't the Den, of course. (If someone wants to accuse me of being "intolerant" because of this attitude, fine. As Bryon Dayton said, "the one thing I'm really intolerant of is stupidity.") Specialist, you're beginning to rant again. As I think I said a while ago, the issue for most of us isn't the morality of homosexuality, but whether or not it is right to abuse someone on the grounds of their sexual preference. You believe that it is, and so far don't seem to have defended it any further than saying "It's sick and if you don't agree with me, you're blind." Incidentally, this is much the same reasoning that led to the rise of Nazi Germany: Jews are evil and if you don't agree with that statement, you're blind to the real truth, no matter what evidence you present to the contrary. The ratio of people I like to people I don't like appears to be relatively consistent among heterosexuals and homo/bi people. If I like someone, I don't care who they sleep with, and if I don't like them, it's not based on who they sleep with. It's a shame you don't see this. =========== From: YNGLING To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Homosexuals Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:13:59 Message Number 7437 Specialist - 1. I can dig it but you're still tilting at windmills bud. 2. I quit the storyboard back on the Den when my puter caught a virus and so I killed my character off since I didnt know how long it would be before I got back and I didnt want to screw up the storyline. Of course that was when Spellwind was doing his best to pick a fight with my character and by his definition his character apparently was omni- potent (or maybe just impotent :> ) so it seemed like it wasnt going anywhere anyway. 3. Did you ever get a chance to read Heinlein's "Grumbles From The Grave?" The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:23:18 Message Number 7438 Jonboy, I know you may not believe this but it IS true. One night I was riding out near MCC (back when it was MJC not McCollege) and as I approached the light at 26th Street and 53rd Avenue I applied my brakes as the light was red and hit an oil slick from an earlier accident. The bike went down and dragged me with it thru the inter- section. An MSO cruiser was in the parking lot and saw what happenned, and wrote me a ticket for running a red light! I tried to fight it in traffic court and the judge let it stand! And the cop had the stones to tell me I was lucky he didnt cite me for Failure To Keep Vehicle Under Control!!!! The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:32:19 Message Number 7439 Jonboy - Because it was cheap. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: ANGEL Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:35:35 Message Number 7440 Angel, Finally! I thought it was just me! I have no idea what in the hell this guy has been talking about for a week now...I figured I must've missed something cause no one else was bitching. What a relief. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: ZOT GNOP Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:37:56 Message Number 7441 Shee-it son, Ah've bin toying wit the idee-ur of settin up claymores around their holes, but Ah'm afraid mah wife's poodle will piss on 'em and ruin the detonators. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: New Subject Date & Time: 08/08/90 16:41:36 Message Number 7442 Oh great. Now I'll worry about whether or not you're getting enough sleep or if you're up all night stressed out over the safety of Beatle's family. Maybe I oughta just go over there and kill 'em and save us all a lot of heartache. The Yngling =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: YNGLING Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/08/90 17:29:44 Message Number 7444 Aahh Hell, that's nuthin ta shit a brick about, sssuuun. You jest gotta git you sum a them thar new-fangled doodads. Them piss ree-zis-tant comm-po-nants fer yer detinaters. Ah hear you kin pick yoself up some at Home Depot. =========== From: RUFUS To: YNGLING Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:21:30 Message Number 7445 A Scottish terrier (or is that terror) did bite my foot. I've delt with dobermens, one large dog which just looked mean, 13 cocherspaniels, and German Sheppards. What goes and bites me? I dog that can't see over my ankle. =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:23:06 Message Number 7446 > I MISS you...and I CAN'T wait for the 27th Hmmm.............. =========== From: RUFUS To: ZOT GNOP Subject: open minds Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:36:41 Message Number 7447 >Oh yeah. Rufus says your cute :) You're trying to get me killed, aren't you? =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: knives Date & Time: 08/08/90 18:43:16 Message Number 7448 Maybe we need to form the NSA (National Sword Association). Hunting deer would be a little harder. You'd have to wait in your tree stand for one of the suckers to walk under you then drop onto it's back and slash away. =========== From: KEN OBER To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/08/90 19:17:52 Message Number 7449 AAhhh -- But the reddish highlights matched your skin last time I saw you and they looked right in place! (You had a sunburn, kinda') :) =========== From: KEN OBER To: RUFUS Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/08/90 19:35:48 Message Number 7450 Look, I went to Exxon because I had $5 ... All the other places had raised their gas to $1.25 +++ a gallon because of the Iraq thing .... Exxon was the only place that had $1.00/gallon ... ('cept Stupid America and I couldn't make it there on the gas I had...) ARE YOU GROKING ME AT ALL!?!?!?!?!?!?!? =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:00:52 Message Number 7451 TS>BBS'ers tend to be much moreopenminded than the populace at large. 'Maybe true - it most assuredly is *not* a representative sample - the major benefit is that it is a segment of society that you have the means to poll on a widespread basis. The fact that you realize the deck may be stacked against you is a telling one. =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:03:17 Message Number 7452 TS>believe that you anticipated that I ... So I'm sneaky... now you know. =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Guitars Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:04:39 Message Number 7453 TS> Homo isn't just a lifestyle, If you have to live it - it's by /definition/ a lifestyle. Quit trying to use flag words like /sick/ to mask a bigoted brain. The fact that another human being is a homosexual has not one bit of effect on their efficiency or health. Sick is a physiological state wherby the body is invaded by pathogens or is otherwise damaged. =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: OOps! Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:07:16 Message Number 7454 Lets' play gay poker where straights are "out" and "queens" are wild! You'd lose I'm afraid... =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:09:01 Message Number 7455 TS>anyone who actually HAD a homo experience is homo! AAACK! Get a grip on yourself. That has to be the most asinine statement yet from you - you started out ok and are rapidly regressing to the infantile state. Have you ever heard of a "menage a trois"? Would the fact that two ladies while in bed with a man (or two men with a lady of course) make any of the same sex gay? You attempt to make the world black & white and I'm surprised that the weight of reason hasn't pooped you out yet. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Problem... Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:21:43 Message Number 7456 The computer that Ender interfaces with is revealed to have a consious- ness in Speaker for the Dead. It seems that over the centuries with the sub-ether communications net it developed them as neurons and evolved an intelligence. It's a decent book worth reading. =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:28:03 Message Number 7457 Lemme see - what do we have for them hatred blues - something that should affirm the sanctity of life - best I can think of would be some old Dan Fogelberg. Aha! Nazareth "Fallen Angel" from their "Malice in Wonderland" albumn. You really seem to be building up again - 'dem blues layin' in wait fer ya purty lady? Remember the talk about the beach, endless sands, eternal waves, setting suns and the promise of tomorrow riding on the faint wisps of yesterday's sky? Do try some relaxation exercises - I hate to see you worked up and between Mike and these guys you have had a bad couple of days. I also get the idea that something else has been bugging you - leave mail to a sympathetic ear. Take care, JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:36:26 Message Number 7458 Yeah - I /hate/ badge heavy cops myself as I've had a fair run in - here's mine. I'm in a /really/ bad section of town and a van comes up behind me and bumps me. I cuss but keep control - he smacks me really good this time so I drops the ol race car (really!) into second and burn outta there. Next I know the cops are behind me so I pull over. He tells me to follow him back and there is my friend Ron with his new van that has no working horn or lights which normal people might to signal with so he smacked me. Even tho I was leaving a potentially bad situation - I still got a damned ticket even when Ron verified to the court what he had done. I used to get pissed about judges until one day a friend says "what do you expect? Justice?! Your talking about a lawyer with political connections!". That simple statement did more to help me realize where our legal system's at than any other. An AnaArchist JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:42:07 Message Number 7459 No no no no NO! Shoes are /not/ cheap! Nor carpet, or other items that the wee beastie decides to water. =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/08/90 22:43:26 Message Number 7460 TY>I thought it was just me! ccause no one else was bitching.\ We were persevering in the best of liberal tradition. =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:05:29 Message Number 7461 >ARE YOU GROKING ME AT ALL!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Uhhh...I suppose so. Did I tell you about my relatives in Asia? =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: RUFUS Subject: getting killed Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:17:10 Message Number 7462 You betcha dude :) =========== From: MAX To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Defective... Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:36:05 Message Number 7463 > ...what doctor is going to put down a prospective patient? I know > that if my reputation (and my finances) depended on whether or not I > claimed homos were actually sick... If society believed that association with homosexuals or anything that remotely resembled mild toleration of them was wrong, then you (i.e, the doctor) would best protect your reputation by saying that they are, indeed, sick. This hasn't been said in the last 50 years or so because there's not that much evidence to support it, except "gut feelings" of those who don't like homosexuality. Again, this has nothing to do with whether or not it's morally right to associate with "them." Would it completely baffle you if I said that I think the true wrongness in this 'debate' is rejecting a person based solely on sexual preference? You have said in the past that if you found out a friend of yours was homosexual/bisexual, you'd stop associating with him/her. I would say that if you in fact did this, you'd have backstabbed this person: the failure would be yours, not his. I accept your belief that homosexuality is wrong, even if I don't agree with it. I do not accept that this is a reason to refuse friendships and break other ones; in fact, if the measure of an act's wrongness is the harm it causes to others, your viewpoint is more harmful than two men in a sexual relationship could ever be. I honestly wish you'd stop ranting about how much you don't like the act and THINK about what I'm saying here. =========== From: MAX To: JONBOY Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:46:02 Message Number 7464 > ...was the speaker concerned with the practise of inserting objects > into bodily orifices morally objectionable as "sick"... what is > *really* bothering you? The plight of the animal or the fact that > inserting objects is "kinky". The plight of the animal. "Inserting objects" may, indeed, be kinky and doesn't sound like something I'd find appealing (hey, call me closeminded...), but the animal abuse is what I find most offensive about the practice. =========== From: MAX To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/08/90 23:48:57 Message Number 7465 Sigh. The difference between homosexuality and gerbilling, incest, or what-have-you with regards to "sickness" is that in all of the ones mentioned except homosexuality, something/someone is being hurt. > Please explain why that (gerbilling) is sick and a high school kid > hacking up a frog in lab (and I mean HACKING up) is not..... As you may not be aware of the mine field you are approaching, let me merely say that an animal dying for "medical science" could (note I said "could", not "should") be considered quite different from one dying for someone's gratification. A medical student learning on a cadaver is qualitatively different than someone whipping a woman to death for pleasure. To answer the question more directly (and more personally), I believe that both gerbilling and high school-level lab dissections ARE sick. =========== From: TURTLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Christian? HAH! Date & Time: 08/09/90 00:28:20 Message Number 7466 >...you deserve to die. Let's try to attack the /ideas/ and not the /person/ who's stating them, hmm? (Tap, tap, tap, tap...) =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/09/90 00:37:17 Message Number 7467 Ya gotta watch fer the little rat-shaped dogs, Son. Them's the ones that'll turn feral on you quick as a wink. Once one of them little hot dogs or something loses it, there's no callin' them back. They'll just go on a rampage, creating a path of terror and destruction three inches high. ...they outta outlaw them things. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: knives Date & Time: 08/09/90 00:39:56 Message Number 7468 I've never seen the point of hunting deer with a rifle...just sit up in a treehouse with your gun, armor-piercing bullets, laser sight, IR scope..."Yep, I went out into the wilderness today to prove myself, man against nature. Sat in a tree 'til I saw this deer walk by, close as you please...couldn't have been more than four, five miles away! So I reached out, flipped on the rangefinder, and let 'im have it. That's how a REAL MAN does it!" Nuts...a real man does it with his teeth. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/09/90 11:03:46 Message Number 7473 Hey, I've got a hot dog in my backyard right now. And look, I gotta go and mow! HAHA!!! Actually, I like Frank. For being so damned weird, having legs as big as my pinky, and being so skiddish he'd pee on anything if you looked at him cross-eyed, he's a cool dog. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: knives Date & Time: 08/09/90 11:05:20 Message Number 7474 I dunno about your description of hunting. My brother-in-law goes three or four times a year and the last time he got anything was about four years ago. He is fairly skilled with a rifle, and he is the type t to sit still for hours on end waiting for a deer. I think the deer are sitting in other tress with their rifles. =========== From: BEATLE To: ZOT GNOP Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:38:11 Message Number 7475 > I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS! Well, don't tell us! It'll throw the whole universe out of whack. =========== From: BEATLE To: ZOT GNOP Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:39:18 Message Number 7476 > THE BEATLES LIVE FOREVER Yes, and if the music won't compare, their place in history will. Turtle, I have been thinking about your comment about Beatles fanatisism. And it doesn't surprise me one bit. Since you are not a listener of early 60's music, you don't have a reference point to make a comparison between Beatle "drivel" and other stuff. Back then, the parents were trying to get rid of drivel too, since it was "rock" drivel ... sure, the lyrics were simple. But the talent of the Beatles was obvious. And they innovated so many fields, too. They used recording studio equipment in new ways, and later wrote really good songs, and they made the first music videos. So, if the early lyrics were drivel, then so be it. But no rock group was as innovative (and influential on music) as the Beatles. (Sorry to babble on in a message addressed to Zot...) =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: greener grass.. Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:46:17 Message Number 7477 > How? I dunno. Hey, beats me... it's one of those odd things my parents tell me not to do...the one I really hate is "Don't ride your bike on the highway (which is SR 70 in this case)!" Grrrr... =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:54:42 Message Number 7478 > some people who aren't against it haven't met one. Well, then I don't fall into that group. I went to some sort of dinner at a gay couple's home. I had no idea which (of all the people who were there) people were or were not gay. I have never met anybody that I can tell is gay. I don't see how some people say they do it. Sure , you can point out the examples of the ones you see in the movies, but I have met gay people and I could not tell they were gay. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/09/90 12:59:27 Message Number 7479 > It wasn't designed to go like that. Square pegs in round holes... > ...why is it too hard for you to grasp? It's not hard to grasp, I just don't buy it. I don't believe that to be an indication of a sickness. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Really placid Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:01:50 Message Number 7480 > Not since those SICKOS spread it to normal people. How do you know that's what happened? =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:03:38 Message Number 7481 > Maybe someone close to me DIED as result of something they did!! Ooh, I hate that attitude. That plain out defines Bigotry. "They". That's the key word. What if Turtle did something that killed someone you know? Would you hate yourself for being white?? It's that sort of thing. Don't say it's different, cause it isn't. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Truth Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:07:10 Message Number 7482 > I guess that I'll obey Gods word...when I hear it from GOD. > Turtle has a very, VERY valid point... I agree 100% I don't like the fact that worship is a requirement to live a goolife, or you go to hell. If you want to believe in religious coincidences and stuff, there is an interesting story. John Lennon once said: "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink . I needn't argue about that. I'm right and I will be proven right... Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me." When this appeared in an American magazine, a radio station in Texas, KLUE, sponsored a Beatles bonfire. The day after the bonfire, a bolt of lightning struck their transmission tower, knocking the news director unconscious, and extensively damaging their equipment... =========== From: BEATLE To: JONBOY Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:28:33 Message Number 7483 > Yeah - I couldn't help but wonder if Revolver was worth the Fat > Mattress album...nobody's ever heard of Fat Mattress. Alright, from a collectors point of view...sure. Can you give me an example of a Far Mattress song? As you said, I've never heard of them. But didn't you at least like Revolver?? I know, here comes Turtle saying "We all live in a Yellow Submarine, We all...drivel drivel". But what about "Elanor Rigby"?? =========== From: BEATLE To: ANGEL Subject: MPAA Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:33:55 Message Number 7484 > ... if it's true or just manifest bullshit (tm). From my experience, the MPAA started out with a G, PG, R, and X. It sounds like there's some semi-logic involved with the "no rating" idea. If the film isn't suitable for anyone under 17, don't give it a Parental warning. Still, major motion pictures went through with Xs. "Midnight Cowboy", an oscar winner for best picture, was rated X (now rated R). =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: greener grass.. Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:39:50 Message Number 7485 Re: tragic lawnmower accident... Would you PLEASE put a large consideration on that message for the next "Overheard" page?? =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: MPAA Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:44:43 Message Number 7486 > Films with an "... are frequently released unrated... Where is it said, however, that they can do that? Is that only because of the X not being copyrighted? Does this mean the makers of "Nightmare on Elm Street 5,000" could release their film, which probably would be rated R, with no rating?? =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:53:47 Message Number 7487 > because of the Iraq thing .... That part of the sentence just sounds interesting. =========== From: BEATLE To: JONBOY Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:56:15 Message Number 7488 > Have you ever heard of a "menage a trois"?? Welp, is it the situation you described just after that question? All I know it that they made it a pun in the title of a Star Trek TNG episode: "Menage A Troi"... =========== From: BEATLE To: JONBOY Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/09/90 13:58:59 Message Number 7489 > No no no no NO! Shoes are /not/ cheap! And people who pay $150 for a pair of shoes 'cause they're "the style" (and that's a quote from THREE people in an article on shoes) really bug me...what bugs me even more are those who get Reebok Pumps for washing their parents car when I can't get shit for cleaning up the house. =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/09/90 15:19:00 Message Number 7490 > Reebok Pumps.... Okay, watch the punp bashing! Hey, I don't have to wash ANYTHING for my shoes ... I just have to LIVE with my parents! :) =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:26:11 Message Number 7491 Jonboy - The P.S. to my story is that when the judge ruled against me I told her to get fucked and lost my license for 365 days. Man, that /really/ bugged me...having to drive around for a year w/o a license. Of course I was 17 and pretty stupid at the time...kids, remember I am a professional - dont try cussing out judges at home! The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:29:39 Message Number 7492 But thats just it! The damn dog NEVER pisses on the rug...ever. Only on feet at the front door. Weird, huh? The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: MAX Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:32:05 Message Number 7493 But what if they could find these /really/ kinky gerbils that WANTED to be inserted into the body cavity of your choice? Then would it be O.K.? The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: BEATLE Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:40:17 Message Number 7494 Beatle, Gee, you work cheap! I'll give you all the shit you want to come over and clean the house. Whatta bargain! The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/09/90 16:42:48 Message Number 7495 >...they outta outlaw them things. WHEN LITTLE DOGS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL OWN LITTLE DOGS! - think about it. (tm) =========== From: MAX To: YNGLING Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/09/90 17:08:27 Message Number 7496 > But what if they could find these /really/ kinky gerbils that > WANTED to be inserted into the body cavity of your choice? You've been watching episodes of "Three's Company" back-to-back again, haven't you? =========== From: SUNTAN To: TURTLE Subject: downloading Date & Time: 08/09/90 17:22:45 Message Number 7497 thanks for the info on reading text files. I'll try it. =========== From: SUNTAN To: TURTLE Subject: zip files Date & Time: 08/09/90 17:24:17 Message Number 7498 I'm not real sure what you are talking about, but at least I have something to go on and research. Thanks for your help. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Dogs of... Date & Time: 08/09/90 22:32:10 Message Number 7499 >For being so damned weird... You want weird? I was driving back from Sarasota Square today and stopped behind a semi tractor-trailer rig at a traffic light. The rig had a large yellow metal sign bolted to it that said "CAUTION: Weird Load." =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: MAX Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:00:48 Message Number 7502 I vote to have the thread dropped and I do appologize to the Specialist for the last post. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:03:26 Message Number 7503 Gee, thanks, love....save the evil-ness for the 27 when I can really experience it! :> The LAdy P.S...'guess dirty minds do think alike. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:08:15 Message Number 7504 Thanks, love! You should see me now, if you think that was bad. If I never develop skin cancer, then I swear, it's impossible for anyone to get it. I even wore sunscreen this time! BTW, did you see the article in the Sarasota Herald about how "sunscreen may CAUSE skin cancer". It was in Wednesday's Health section.... The Lady .e =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:12:42 Message Number 7505 You got a smile out of me...no fair! The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Christian? HAH! Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:14:49 Message Number 7506 Gotcha...You know, I think I'm not going to do much reading on the board ...it'll keep me out of trouble... =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: KEN OBER Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/10/90 12:19:03 Message Number 7507 Good enough, huh?! :> I have reeb's, not the pumps, though...they're too big and masculine looking. (gee, could that be because they are men's shoes? Naah...) Lacey =========== From: YNGLING To: MAX Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/10/90 17:10:01 Message Number 7510 Perhaps someday there will be a "Three's Company Reunion Special" or a "Three's Company: Christmas In Hawaii," or even "Three's Company: The Next Generation." 'Tis but a dream I have. The Yngling =========== From: JONBOY To: MAX Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:11:08 Message Number 7511 A. The post wasn't directed at you - not that I don't welcome your feedback, but in this case I was "probing" the other person to see if homosxuality was the /real/ concern. B. There was another post directed at the crowd at large acknowledging that /given/ the animal abuse was an abomination - what of the other? I simply wondered what part of the bashing going on was due to sexual hangups in general. Too many times the real cause d'celibre is somethin altogether different than stated. =========== From: JONBOY To: BEATLE Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:21:37 Message Number 7512 Ahem! I /said/ I *liked* the Beatles. I merely made the statement that I had been rather shortsighted in getting rid of an albumn that I should have known wouldn't be available in years gone by versus somtheing that will be around til the world grinds to a stop. =========== From: JONBOY To: BEATLE Subject: Bias in bias Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:25:20 Message Number 7513 >> Have you ever heard of a "menage a trois"?? It is a sexual encounter with three people - usually (but not always) two women and a man. =========== From: JONBOY To: BEATLE Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:27:11 Message Number 7514 Nu shooz! I *hate* shoppin fer nu shooz. Dey cos' so dam much and den dey hurtz y'feet fo'evah! Ah swear! An den iffn you ain' paid d'man fo dem shooz - den da suckers squeeks and folks in church can hyar 'em all 'way up in the choir! Yessah! No lie - Ah peeks up when dey does dat an dey be lookin my way w'dat sly smile on dey face say "He ain' paid fer dem nu shooz". An dey be talkin' yeah - he's stylin but dey squeeks an y'know whut /dat/ means and dey looks out d'sides o' dey eyeballs at you, den roll 'em slow towards yo feet and bus' out laffin! Lawd if'n we wasn' at church Ah'd let 'em get a closer lissen at dat dar squeek uppe'n'side o' dey head! Yessir! Anyways - I hates dem nu shooz... A Deep-South JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: KEN OBER Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:34:36 Message Number 7515 KO> ... I just have to LIVE with my parents! :) Consider the deal from their perspective. :>=> (big ol toothy nasty grin) =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:36:32 Message Number 7516 Yng>bugged me...having to drive around for a year w/o a license. Waha! I sprayed coke on my VGA when I read that! I acquired a real taste for dry humor when I had to work with some Brits & Aussies for awhile. Ain't it the truth - so pays yer money and ignore the chances (slim) of getting caught if yer careful. =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:39:12 Message Number 7517 I can see the door stoop now - there's a giant yellow area that's etched into the concrete! I know I know! Get some wax and write WELCOME on the concrete - it should be just like Easter eggs! I can see it now... we'll call up the people that preview homes with outstanding decor and show 'em your bas relief welcome mat - it will become the rage! Lessee we'll breed the little suckers where they have a propensity to drink and pee LOTS. Then we'll have the market cornered when bas-relief welcome mats hit the big time. All I ask is 10% and a mention in the bylines. =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:43:21 Message Number 7518 A whole new industry devoted to servicing some "back to the womb" gerbils? Nahhhhh. =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:47:13 Message Number 7519 Fair?!!! Moi? I was supposed to be fair? Gimme that rule book. See, page 9 - "all's fair". So what wrong with a cheery face? Is the Lady in Black a somber lass? With nary a smile o'er her face to pass? =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Lacey Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:50:26 Message Number 7520 I'm curious (natch!) exactly what was it about your body that prompted the nickname "Lacey" that you have been wearing for a couple of weeks now? An Enquiring (AKA Dirty) minded JonBoy wants to know =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Three's Bimbos Date & Time: 08/10/90 18:55:42 Message Number 7521 Yeah but will they ever make "Three's Company finally get it on!"? Beatle - *that* would be a menage a trois! I got to catch "Crissy" Sommer's act in Las Vegas when she was canned for being too greedy. The show did not do her legs justice! *Very* shapely indeed! JonBoy =========== From: CRYSTAL To: JONBOY Subject: dem nu shooz... Date & Time: 08/10/90 19:08:38 Message Number 7522 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH der I feel mush bedder. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: KEN OBER To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/10/90 20:33:45 Message Number 7523 Ya, but the Sunscreens that may CAUSE skin cancer are those ones like: SPF 6,000,000 ...Yes, that's right folks, you can walk straight through the sun and not get burned! Isn't that amazing? > .e Comfuggled are we? :) =========== From: SUNTAN To: BIG LEW Subject: ZIP Date & Time: 08/10/90 21:22:16 Message Number 7524 Thanks, I appreciate the info. I downloaded PKZ101.EXE but haven't got it to work. I'll try the 102 version. I know if I keep messing with it that I`ll figure it out but it sure goes a lot faster with help like yours. As long as I'm asking dumb questions - what is an ARC program or file? Thanks again for your help.....the novice =========== From: NAME To: ANGEL Subject: Bible Date & Time: 08/10/90 22:03:55 Message Number 7525 I use the King James version. Matthew chapter 16 verse 18 "And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shat not prevail against it." Greek dictionary defines hell in this sentence as hades: unseen or the place of departed souls:-grave, hell Greek dictionary refers to another definition of hell called eido (i'do): to know, be aware, behold, consider, understand. (King James version) 1st John chap 5, verse 7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: And these three are one. [verse 8] and there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." I always use the King James version and will be more careful to specifiy which translation I'm using in the future. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:14:16 Message Number 7526 >But no other rock group was as innovative (and influential on music) >as the Beatles. Innovative: Pink Floyd. Influential: Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis. (Although I'd personally rather dine on iron spikes than be forced to listen to either one of those two clowns.) --An innovative and influential Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: MPAA Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:18:16 Message Number 7527 Anyone anywhere at any time can release any film unrated. There is no law that says "A movie shown to the general public must carry an MPAA rating." The MPAA is strictly and absolutely a /voluntary/ ratings organization. HOWEVER: Most movie houses, and almost all the large chains, will not show an unrated movie. A movie which carries no rating has almost the same degree of difficulty that an X-rated movie has; you can't get it into most theaters (other than art houses), 'cause the rating is how the theatre owners cover their asses. --A theatrical Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: cat Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:21:43 Message Number 7528 Speaking of hundred-and-fifty-buck shoes: There is an article on urban crime in a recent (two months ago?) Newsweek in which a person who owns a clothing store on the edge of an "economically distressed urban area" claimed he was visited by salesmen from Reebok and Nike, both of whom told him, "If you want to make a profit, you've got to hook up with the local drug dealers...you have to move them into $150 sneakers and $200 sweatsuits." Yeech! --An unamused Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: Judgement Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:24:21 Message Number 7529 I personally wouldn't DREAm of cussing out a judge; not bright, especially if you've just been on the receiving end of the ruling. I have, however, been known to cuss out law enforcement officers...but only when I'm right. --A tactful Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:26:13 Message Number 7530 That reminds me (watch out, non-sequitur approaching) of a saying I tend to find amusing: "If guns are outlawed, how will conservatives win any arguments?" I just had to bring that up to see if I can offend anyone. --An offensive (and irrelevant) Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Three's Bimbos Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:33:12 Message Number 7531 >Yeah but will they ever make "Three's company get it on!"? >Beatle - *that* would be a menage a trois! Not if they're serial rather than parallel..."Three's Company" always did strike me as the Commodore 64 of television programming. --A singular Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:35:19 Message Number 7532 >>.e >Comfuggled are we? It comes from naively assuming that this software actually has a MESSAGE EDITOR. --A naive Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: SUNTAN Subject: ZIP Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:36:19 Message Number 7533 An .ARC file is essentially the same thing as a .ZIP file. It is a file that contains other files which have been compressed to reduce space. The principle is the same in both cases: I can take a whole bunch of disk files, use a variety of sophisticated (or not) mathematical techniques to make them smaller, and put them all together into one file. Then, with the right program, I can take them all out again and return them to their original size to use them. Arc files (archives) end in .ARC; zipped files end in .ZIP. =========== From: TURTLE To: NAME Subject: Bible Date & Time: 08/11/90 02:39:03 Message Number 7534 >I always use the King James version... Bad choice. Nothing personal. =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: Three's Bimbos Date & Time: 08/11/90 03:49:47 Message Number 7535 > Three's Company ... Commodore 64 of television programming. Watch it lowly TRASH 80 USER! "They're the newest sensation since the Beatles. They're New Kids On The Block!" -- People magazine commercial... =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/11/90 03:51:22 Message Number 7536 .e? Ahh ... Like .Edit .... OIC now! :) Like when I do things like type 5 or 6 lines without looking at the screen, and then I remember that this whatever it is, doesn't have a word-whap! :) =========== From: THRUD To: ALL Subject: The Great One Date & Time: 08/11/90 05:36:37 Message Number 7537 The Great One was drained due to the massive amount of mental energy she'd been forced to expend. She'd barely sensed the bomb in time to put a psionic field around it - but if she hadn't, this lounge would have been a crater. It wouldn't have bothered her or her familiar much, as they were practically immortal, but the blast had nearly made hamburger of her prey. Why would anyone use such a crude device? Big Blue was offering mega-credits for the conspirators, but it was essential to keep this one alive in order to track the others - or were they already here? It was probably the work of those idiots at Bountyhunters 'R Us - with their tax structure, they might be using this case for a write-off. In any event, for now it seemed better to play a waiting game and see if this terrorist would tip his hand or lead her to the others. Perhaps she would have her familiar establish contact with the criminal. But for the moment, the Ample One was content to rest and recuperate from the mental drain of the psionic field. She gave her pet a telepathic nudge, and Vafthrudner reached down to gently stroke Gjolp's aching temples. =========== From: THRUD To: ZOT GNOP Subject: claymores Date & Time: 08/11/90 06:00:07 Message Number 7538 Actually, the best solution to the poodle piddle problem is to have a deadman switch on the claymores. Ya set a live electric charge thru your tripwires, which courses up the stream of poodle piddle, electifying the canine, and the interupted circuit enables the mines, blowing yon puppy to hell. A polar bear would never fall for this, however. =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/11/90 06:25:37 Message Number 7539 Bingo! Offensive on the first try! Howza 'bout "Sure I like liberals, I think everybody ought to own one." Jeez, I lay out for a week and have nine million messages to read - my eyes are bleeding green. =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: Bible Date & Time: 08/11/90 06:30:35 Message Number 7540 Good for getting off the track....if I ever mention that I'm using a Douay Bible, many folks will then attack that translation and forget the original point, which was....umm..... =========== From: MIKE GREENAWALD To: ANGEL Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 08/11/90 09:30:55 Message Number 7541 They are jumbled aren't they. I was commenting on a topic from another bbs. Sorry about that. Your nam e should not have the posting. I am sorry that it has happened. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: Association Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:24:14 Message Number 7542 I feel that when "sexual" context is not involved, there is always degrees of a criminal act (or sick act if you prefer). Like hitting a kids butt with a wooden paddle is okay, but hitting him on the back is abuse. Slapping a kid around because he wouldn't be quiet in a resteraunt is okay, but doing it because he could figure out how to fix the radio he broke is abuse. There are many lines of levels until you cross the "sexual" barrier. Then its' all lumped together. Why isn't the same opinion held for non-sexual child offenses as are held for sexual (for by your own admission, sex in these cases is a form of violence)? Oh yeah, just for sake of arguement, I WAS sexually abuse once when I was three and had it held from me until I was thirty, had nightmares of it all the time. When my mother started to tell me about it I described the whole event to her in detail . Really shocked her...but explained the source of my dreams. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:32:02 Message Number 7543 Ahhhhhhhhh...we CAN't agree on something.. Nooooooooooo. Okay, I think we are on the same "wavelength" here. These fell swoops that society deals out are a pain, look at the music labelling practice that's been discussed. We may both be hovering around the same line of opinions, it may be that we're about .0001mm on opposing sides. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BEATLE Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:36:25 Message Number 7544 >OUCH!!! You actually CAN get a WORSE picture then I painted???? How long did it take you to regain your breath? =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: JONBOY Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:38:31 Message Number 7545 >Bubba Ignatz.... My kind of guy. I am opossed to all that kid+knife+animal scene stuff, but at the time I was niave enough to participate. In high school it usually ended up being a remake of Elm Street, kids just hacking up animals for the hell of it. The worst was a practice I believe that was called "pithing". You would insert a disecting needle in the brain stem of a frog, thus paralizing him (totally). Then you could disect him while he was still alive (see the heart beating...etc). A real Nazi biological practice. Poor guys, I still feel guilty about that one. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: YNGLING Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/11/90 10:44:39 Message Number 7546 I posted it to make a point (and I believe I made it from the responses) . It was a most shuddering experiance and still is each time I pass it along. I think my abdomen has relaxed a little lately..... Can't help but think about it once you've heard it....hehe =========== From: AJ-- To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Association Date & Time: 08/11/90 11:47:08 Message Number 7547 I believe that Incest, S & M and beastiality (sp), are all perverted sexualual acts....I do not like them or agree with them, just that I live in the same society and have to deal with them. TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS =========== From: AJ-- To: BIG LEW Subject: AlTNet BBS Date & Time: 08/11/90 11:49:34 Message Number 7548 Located in Bradenton, Just moved so its not online, the number is 755-3289 TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS =========== From: AJ-- To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Rights? Date & Time: 08/11/90 11:52:30 Message Number 7549 I don't want to take anything away from anyone. I can feel for you, and your death of your cousin...AIDS is real and is growing everywhere in Straights, Gays, and Bi's. I am not trying to be a "bigot" towards Gays, that would be silly, cause I am Gay and PROUD of it. (smile) Does that help clear the air a bit? TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS =========== From: BEATLE To: JONBOY Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/11/90 13:25:47 Message Number 7550 > I /said/ I *liked* the Beatles. Yeah, but it was in a message AFTER the one I responded to. Speaking of things that won't be around in years, has anyone ever come across a copy of a record called "The Rutles"?? =========== From: BEATLE To: JONBOY Subject: Three's Bimbos Date & Time: 08/11/90 13:30:22 Message Number 7551 > *Very* shapely indeed! She looks much better now than she did doing "Three's Company". I always thought she was too thin, at least on that show... =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/11/90 13:33:02 Message Number 7552 > Innovative: Pink Floyd. > Influential: Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis... Gheee... okay, you got me. I haven't heard too muchPink Floyd stuff... I suppose I should. Jerry Lee Lewis? Well, I'm not sure. Which people were influenced by Jerry Lee Lewis?? Elvis? Just about any musician would say he was influenced by Elvis, but I have no damn idea why. (I sould say he or she above...) When I think of the Beatles being innovative and influential, I think more of style in recording, the way recording studios were run, the creation of music videos, and a few other things. What kinds of things has Pink Floyd been innovative with? (Forgive me if I sound like I'm trying to put them down, I'm not. I'm genuinely curious. I don't hear much about Pink Floyd at all.) =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/11/90 14:27:06 Message Number 7553 Bad news dude. The poodle has been fixed (that depends on your point of view...and just /exactly/ what you think /should/ be fixed) and therefore cannot breed...sigh. Such a great idea too. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: Judgement Date & Time: 08/11/90 14:34:04 Message Number 7554 Turtle, I admitted I was young and foolish to cuss at the Judge...but it seemed the thing to do at the time. As for cussing at cops: unlike judges cops carry nasty items like nightsticks, saps, and handcuffs and are prone to use them when provoked ("Honest Judge, he was resisting arrest with violence...I /had/ to cave in his skull."). Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The YNgling =========== From: YNGLING To: BEATLE Subject: Ruttles Date & Time: 08/11/90 14:45:31 Message Number 7555 Beatle, Ive never seen a record called "The Ruttles" but I did see a satirical television documentary with that title many years ago. It was a take- off on The Beatlemania phenomena. The YNgling =========== From: SUNTAN To: TURTLE Subject: ZIP/ARC Date & Time: 08/11/90 21:19:18 Message Number 7559 I kind of understand. I downloaded PKZ101.EXE and it exploded several more files onto the disc. So many infact that it would not all fit on the floppy. In a case like that what do you do, load it on your hard disc, or is there a way to use 2 floppys with it? =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:40:15 Message Number 7560 >Gee, thanks, love....save the evil-ness for the 27 when I can really >experience it! :> > The LAdy >P.S...'guess dirty minds do think alike. Of course I'm saving it for the 27th. And who has a dirty mind, certainly not you! (snicker) =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:42:55 Message Number 7561 Have you been out to the beach or some such non-sense? Geesh..I hate the beach, I hate3 the sun. The sun is fine for plants and heating the Earth, but humans don't need sun. =========== From: RUFUS To: YNGLING Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:44:39 Message Number 7562 Or maybe "Three's Company: World War III." =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:47:40 Message Number 7563 Kids are a real bad financial investment. You usually don't make any money in the long run,n (or the short run). =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: Ziggy Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:50:08 Message Number 7564 >Is the Lady in Black a somber lass? >With nary a smile o'er her face to pass? But she has a really cute... Running for my life. =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:52:17 Message Number 7565 >> .e > >Comfuggled are we? :) Really, that should be a '/e' =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:53:56 Message Number 7566 Intoxicated: Deathtongue =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: Three's Bimbos Date & Time: 08/11/90 22:56:30 Message Number 7567 >"They're the newest sensation since the Beatles. They're New Kids On >The Block!" -- People magazine commercial... Hehe, that's pretty funny. You made that up, right? Your a fairly funny person. hehe...newest sensation...hehe =========== From: RUFUS To: YNGLING Subject: dog Date & Time: 08/11/90 23:04:10 Message Number 7568 If you want to get the poodle to stop peeing on everyone, I've got some of those platic tie-wraps that lock on. You can have some if you want. But once the poodle starts to turn yellow, remove the tie wrap and let it out. =========== From: BEATLE To: YNGLING Subject: Ruttles Date & Time: 08/11/90 23:22:04 Message Number 7569 > It was a take-off on the Beatlemania phenomena. Bingo. And there was a soundtrack album... but I no longer need the record (well, as a collector, I would want it!) because I found the nre (oops) new CD today. Awesome. I love Rhino Records. No matter how weird the music, they'll put it out. The Rutles CD will probably sell, oh, 5 copies, but they had the guts to put it out. By the way, I would love to find a video store that still has a copy of that film. I loved it. It had constant in-jokes and it was a product of Monty Python crossing Saturday Night Live. A wild concoction to say the least!! =========== From: DIONYSUS To: TURTLE Subject: MPAA Date & Time: 08/12/90 00:00:23 Message Number 7570 Speaking of unrated movies, most of them seem to deserve to be unrated. Specifically, I am referring to "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down," now showing at Oakmont 8 theatres in Bradenton. Great movie... lots of bad language, subtitles, a good bit of nudity... but no rating. Perhaps the reason that the movie is not rated is because the producers were to cheap to pay the $1000 rating fee to the MPAA. Oh well - Oakmont covered their ass by posting a sign to this effect: ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ADMITTED!!! If you liked "Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown," you'll like this one. God help you if you do. =========== From: DIONYSUS To: TURTLE Subject: Three's Bimbos Date & Time: 08/12/90 00:08:24 Message Number 7571 Not that you'd know, but Commodore does have a few very entertaining games. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: YNGLING Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/12/90 00:56:29 Message Number 7572 >WHEN LITTLE DOGS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL OWN LITTLE DOGS! I'm going to hang that on my wall. (Right after I go out and buy a little dog.) It has got to be one of the most hilarious things I have ever heard! =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: KEN OBER Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 08/12/90 01:12:35 Message Number 7573 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAggggggggggg. I retch on thee, Oh lowly slime. People magazine has justed dropped another notch on my list of things I respect (which is to say, they have been transferred to the "Magazines I would sooner ingest than read" list. The New Kids On The Block are the antithesis of all that I hold dear (and I say this with the utmost contempt). It makes me feel ill just to hear their putrid name uttered. You know...that made me feel much better. Sorry for the outburst, but I had to express my opinion. Anyone willing to comment on "THEM" with a little more objectivity may do so without any fear of my comming over to their house with a large knife and killing their family. I am a music bigot and I know it. < A much relieved Zot. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: THRUD Subject: Polar bears Date & Time: 08/12/90 01:25:27 Message Number 7574 Nor should they be expected to. =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: VH-1 Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:44:40 Message Number 7575 >...then I rememberthat this whatever it is, doesn't have word-whap! No...what it has instead is word /warp/--the amazing ability to take the word at the end of a line and truncate it for you with no operator intervention required at all. That way, you can make typos that people can laugh at without even needing to misspell the word. =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:48:25 Message Number 7576 "I like liberals; everyone ought to own one." He he he...I like that. How 'bout this: A conservative is someone who's too cowardly to fight and too fat to run. =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Bible Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:50:01 Message Number 7577 Hey, that ain't getting off the subject--sure, any translation of fragmentary records six zillion years old will have problems. It's just that the KJV is such an amazingly poor translation that in places it doesn't even bear passing resemblance to the original Hebrew text--as poetry, it's great, but as a codification of the principles and beliefs of the Christian faith, it sucks rocks. A lot of sticky points in Christianity upon close examination turn out to be nothing more than translation errors..if you're gonna be debating the fine points of the religion, it helps to know which are the real bugaboos and which are ghosts. =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Association Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:53:18 Message Number 7578 I would not make the claim that /all/ sexual acts to a person below a specific arbitrary age are acts of violence, I was simply trying to make the case that sexual abuse of children is just that--abuse. If yer gonna call those who sexually abuse children "sick," yer also gonna have to say that people who abuse them are "sick" by exactly the same logic. Abuse is abuse. In any event, the thrust of that reasoning was that there is a qualitative difference between sexual abuse of children and homosexuality, and that labelling them both as "sick" and lumping them together just don't cut it. *Yawn*...I oughtta be in bed now, but no. =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Moral/Popular Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:57:17 Message Number 7579 Opposing sides nothing--any belief system is a continuum, not a dichotomy. It's not like you're either in the "for" or "against" camp--despite what a lot of people would like to believe, there are simply not any forms of human interaction that are that tidy. We do seem to be about .001mm apart, but I hardly think that puts us on "opposing sides." =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Animalism? Date & Time: 08/12/90 03:59:17 Message Number 7580 Pithing a frog is hardly THAT bad a practice--for all intents and purposes, when the brain is destroyed the frog is dead. It's not like he's still aware of what's going on and can't move; the frog's brain si /gone/. That's not a defense of cutting apart live frogs, mind you--it's just a clarification of what could quickly become an emotionally charged misconception. A pithed frog is in any sense that matters for this sort of thing DEAD. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:02:18 Message Number 7581 Heretic! I most strongly insist you run--don't walk, RUN--to a record store and pick up a good assortment of Pink Floyd RIGHT NOW! To answer your questions: Pink Floyd, after a bad start during which they sounded like nothing so much as Beatles wanna-bes, quickly became known for their tendency to push the limits of whatever recording technology was available to them (kinda like the Beatles did earlier). They also did all sorts of rather unusual stuff during thier concerts (and still do--Pink Floyd concerts are famous for their technical sophistication, and keeping them touring these days costs about six hundred thou a week what with their stage setup and all...) It'd be hard to look at something like "The Wall" and say it was less than remarkably innovative, as well. =========== From: TURTLE To: SUNTAN Subject: ZIP/ARC Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:07:00 Message Number 7582 Try uncompressing the files to the hard disk...that is, after all, what it's there for! (grin) =========== From: TURTLE To: DIONYSUS Subject: MPAA Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:08:45 Message Number 7583 Hmm...that's odd, everything I've read about "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down" has been pretty positive. 'Course, Siskel and Ebert didn't like it, but I don't trust those bozos to tell me that I needn't go see the latest Rambo flick. "Tie Me Up..." was actually rated by the MPAA; it got an X. The director adamantly refused to edit it down to an "R". =========== From: TURTLE To: ZOT GNOP Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 08/12/90 04:11:00 Message Number 7584 >Anyone willing to comment on "THEM" with a little bit more >objectivity... The New Kids on the Block suck three-day-old camel dung on Interstate 95 near the West Hell exit. =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/12/90 08:34:11 Message Number 7585 A liberal in the hand is not worth a Bush. Gee, don't ya wish you'd voted for Mikey Dukaka? If he'd won, we could have watched his wife flip out on CNN. =========== From: THRUD To: SUNTAN Subject: ZIP/ARC Date & Time: 08/12/90 08:43:31 Message Number 7586 I don't know if you really want to unzip an unkown file directly to your hard disk. Believe it or not, there are unsavory people with keyboards out there. With two floppies, put the file you want to unzip in A: , the default drive and pkunzip(or whatever decompression program) in the B drive at the A promt, just type B:pkunzip filename . The unzipped file will be on the floppy in A, and you can decide if you want it on your harddrive or not. This also gives you the opportunity to delete any READ.ME or printer drivers that you don't need eating up disk space. 'tis best to do this onto newly formatted floppys, that way you can see what's really in there. Of course, a determined hacker will get by casual users like us anyway, but taking a few precautions doesn't hurt. Also, do you have the complete PK file or just the PKUNZIP? You can get the complete file on most bbs's, and scan the docs. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/12/90 09:21:10 Message Number 7587 > Heretic! Hey, give me a break! I'm stuck in the pop zone, you know. :) Well, thank you for answering my question. I'll have to borrow some Pink Floyd tapes and listen to them...I dunno who has any. I can't be counted on to buy them, since my very nature is of a collector. And the worst kind of collector is one that has no money... you miss a lot of good stuff, and you go out and SPEND as soon as you get some money (and no matter how good Pink Floyd are, I'm not making them a priority on my list).. Speaking of music, I noticed back in the far reaches of a Beatles book that there was a group called the Futz back in 1970 and, you guessed it, they only did two songs ever... Thought I'd mention that since you (as far as I know) created the phrase "futz with it". =========== From: XTEVE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: coprocessors Date & Time: 08/12/90 12:41:14 Message Number 7590 Howdy, C'est Moi. I found out from Charles that the "8087" is not the same as the "8087-2" in that it is not a chip for a 10 Mhz machine, its for a 4.7 Mhz machine. Either he's a good saleman or he's right, so I went ahead and bought the chip he had. Thanks for checking out the one at your work. I had AutoCad 10 working for about two minutes and then my hard card stuck for good. So I'm not going to be using much of anyth ing for a while. The coprocessor really did speed things up compar- atively fast though. I don't have your home number by the way. P.S. : Rosey1 is looking into getting the HP Plotter driver for you. he has the latest release and a release from the recent past, but who knows whether they will be compatible... *Bye -Xteve =========== From: YNGLING To: ZOT GNOP Subject: gates of... Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:43:46 Message Number 7591 Modesty prevents me from replying...:) =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:47:13 Message Number 7592 >The New Kids On The Block suck three-day-old...exit. C'mon Turtle, dont beat around the bush...how do you /really/ feel about the New Kids On The Block? The Yngling BTW- did ya hear that NBC has created a "New Kids..." clone - The Boys Next Door and will be giving them their own TV show (in the same manner that NBC created The Monkees to cash in on the Beatles phenomena)? And you thought the Fall t.v. schedule was going to suck wombat droppings didnt you? =========== From: YNGLING To: BEATLE Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:52:40 Message Number 7593 If you give me blank cassettes I will be happy to make copies of my extensive Pink Floyd collection. If I only save one mind from the endless pablum being passed off as music today my life will have had meaning. The Yngling -I am serious about making the copies. And ignore The Lady In Black if she makes any comments about how I promised to loan her my Box Full of Hell and never did. I tried but /she/ wasnt home. T.Y. =========== From: YNGLING To: MAX Subject: Mythagoras Date & Time: 08/12/90 15:57:50 Message Number 7594 -This message is also directed at Turtle, Ken Ober, Bart Fox, and anyone involved - I was sufficiently intriqued by recent postings to pick up a copy of Mythagoras today...and I was very impressed and enjoyed it very much. Now, if I only knew the correct way to pronounce the title I would be a happy camper. The Yngling =========== From: BEATLE To: YNGLING Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 08/12/90 23:03:18 Message Number 7596 > And you thought the Fall t.v. schedule was going to such wombat > droppings didn't you? You know, I'm GLAD I'm not going to be home on Saturday mornings. And you know what scares me more than having the New Kids and Boys Next Door on Saturday mornings?? I'll bet that CBS tries to combat those shows by making their Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show like the current Turtle tour going around the country. Yes, they actually dresspeople in Turtle suits and make them mimic music!! But really, the TV season won't suck wombat droppings. There's a show called "Ferris Bueler"!!!! =========== From: BEATLE To: YNGLING Subject: Beatlemania Date & Time: 08/12/90 23:07:43 Message Number 7597 > I am serious about making copies. Well, if I can get a listen to some samples first, then I'll decide if I want an extensive collection... I'm working on filling up my blank tapes with an extensive Beatle outtake collection... =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: some nonsense Date & Time: 08/12/90 23:11:23 Message Number 7598 Some assorted lyrics from a demented song: I know you know What you know But you should know By now that You're not me. Hey diddle diddle The cat and the fiddle Piggy in the middle boo boo boo boo Bible punching Heavyweight Evangelistic Boxing kangaroos One man's Civilization Is another man's Jungle, yeah. They say Revolution's in the air I'm dancin' in my underwear 'Cause I don't care. ===========