[36m Public Message [36mMessage # 2 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : All [33mFrom : Backbone Operations [35mSubject : Expiration Warning [37mDate : 96/10/06 00:24:00[33m Hello. The Zone 1 Backbone only carries echoes listed in the Zone 1 EchoList. It seems that the listing for this echo will expire this month. Thus, it is necessary for the moderator to update it's listing if it is to remain on the Zone 1 Backbone. For more information please consult these files: BOFAQxxx.TXT and ELISTxxx.ZIP, where "xxx" is the version number. They are available from most hubs or can be requested from 1:1/200, 1:1/201, 1:283/120 or 1:396/1. If you need assistance, please contact Marge Robbins, 1:283/120. Regards, Zone 1 Backbone Operations [37m--- Harvey's Robot v6.00 * Origin: Southern Star - V.32b/V.FC/V.34/ISDN - 504-885-5928 - (1:396/1) [36m Public Message [36mMessage # 3 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : All [33mFrom : Warren Hrach [35mSubject : rules [37mDate : 96/10/07 15:04:05[33m (Updated 96/10/07) MM1_TECH Fido echo rules and regulations. I shall moderate this echo until a suitable replacement is available. I do not want to moderate on a permanent basis since I am also a Mfgr. Rep. for the MM/1 computer. The rules are simple and please follow them as listed below: 1. No commercial business may be conducted. 2. No commercial advertising, only announcements of new products that become available for the benifit of MM/1 users. Prices should also not be quoted but a range may be stated. 3. Absoulutly no flaming or bad language. Use of such tactics may result in your source loosing the echo. 4. The use of quoting someone elses msg. in making up a reply should be limited to only quote the lines that relate to your reply. 5. When relating a problem and asking for help please include as much data about your configuration and boot as possible, include edition #'s and CRC of a module in question. Also your hardware configuration. 6. This echo is for information and help so please refrain from leaving personal mail that has no benifit for other users. For information on sources of hardware and software for the MM/1 call The Ocean Beach BBS. The Ocean Beach BBS is also the Fido region 10 OS9CN OSK library. The Ocean Beach BBS tel. # is (619) 224-4878 1,2-16.8K baud 8N1. Your MM1_TECH Fido echo moderator, Warren Hrach [37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta * Origin: Ocean Beach RiBBS_MM1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1) [36m Public Message [31m(Rec) [36mMessage # 4 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : Dave Kelly [33mFrom : Warren Hrach [35mSubject : USR modems bug [37mDate : 96/10/09 07:38:15[33m Dave, The time you were on and experiancing the pauses when you type in on your end is caused by your USR Modem. You can get new ROMS from the mfg if you contact them with the trouble. It is not your term program. There is a temp fix you can do by setting &K0, no data compression. Warren Hrach [37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta * Origin: Ocean Beach RiBBS_MM1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1) [36m Public Message [31m(Rec) [36mMessage # 5 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : Dave Kelly [33mFrom : David Graham [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/12 14:44:18[33m On Wednesday, September 18th, 1996 - Dave Kelly wrote: DK> Another item to cosider when the final product is produced and made DK> available for sale. DK> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way DK> a person could build their own system from components they already DK> have around the house as so many of us already do. DK> ... I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact, no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the mother board enough. [37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta * Origin: Ocean Beach MM/1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1) [36m Public Message [36mMessage # 8 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : COWGIRL [33mFrom : IVAN SZE [35mSubject : DROP [37mDate : 96/10/12 16:52:00[33m DROP ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] [37m--- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.4H1 * Origin: Cowgirl's Rodeo *Fido* ->Hub400<- (1:250/401) [36m Public Message [31m(Rec) [36mMessage # 10 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : David Graham [33mFrom : Allen Morgan [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/14 20:56:00[33m Hello David! Saturday October 12 1996 14:44, David Graham wrote to Dave Kelly: DK>> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way DK>> a person could build their own system from components they already DK>> have around the house as so many of us already do. DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing How about a port to the older Macintosh? I know that the 68040 Mac's are slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9 and a GUI (maybe resurrect Gwindows), it might sell. You could design a supplemental boot ROM or something. The advantage is that if successful, we all get to tap into a whole bunch of affordable stuff rather than having yet another obscure motherboard. If you design a motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will find the resources to get a PCI chipset in correctly? I'll bet it takes more than $100,000 to design a modern board that consumers will pay much for. Your product will be measured, whether you agree or not, against the $500 Intel Pentium mother boards with PCI slots, built -in EIDE , etc, etc. The small guy can't compete anymore. Not mean, not hateful, just discouraged... Allen [37m--- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: Graphics Guru -Graphics and More (360)423-2357 (1:3403/17) [36m Public Message [31m(Rec) [36mMessage # 28 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : David Graham [33mFrom : Dave Kelly [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/16 21:55:00[33m DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact, DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or DG> more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at DG> a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the DG> mother board enough. The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I know it is very easy to give away the store. What I am fixing to say, you already know. You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door. Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities. Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year. You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?" Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to them. Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities. One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new products are not being marketed aggressively enough. ... * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese [37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198) [36m Public Message [31m(Rec) [36mMessage # 34 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : David Graham [33mFrom : Dave Kelly [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/16 21:55:00[33m DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact, DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or DG> more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at DG> a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the DG> mother board enough. The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I know it is very easy to give away the store. What I am fixing to say, you already know. You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door. Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities. Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year. You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?" Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to them. Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities. One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new products are not being marketed aggressively enough. ... * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese [37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198) [36m Public Message [31m(Rec) [36mMessage # 49 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : David Graham [33mFrom : Dave Kelly [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/19 15:53:00[33m DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense. In fact, DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or DG> more really. The money to be made comes from adding the components at DG> a also thin markup. - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the DG> mother board enough. The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I know it is very easy to give away the store. What I am fixing to say, you already know. You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door. Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities. Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year. You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?" Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to them. Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities. One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new products are not being marketed aggressively enough. ... * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese [37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198) [36m Public Message [36mMessage # 55 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : Allen Morgan [33mFrom : David Graham [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/21 16:59:26[33m On Monday, October 14th, 1996 - Allen Morgan wrote: AM> How about a port to the older Macintosh? I know that the 68040 Mac's AM> are slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9 and AM> a GUI (maybe resurrect Gwindows), it might sell. You could design a AM> supplemental boot ROM or something. The advantage is that if AM> successful, we all get to tap into a whole bunch of affordable stuff AM> rather than having yet another obscure motherboard. If you design a AM> motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will find the resources to AM> get a PCI chipset in correctly? I'll bet it takes more than $100,000 AM> to design a modern board that consumers will pay much for. Your AM> product will be measured, whether you agree or not, against the $500 AM> Intel Pentium mother boards with PCI slots, built -in EIDE , etc, AM> etc. The small guy can't compete anymore. AM> Not mean, not hateful, just discouraged... AM> Allen Allen, I don't know my way around the MacIntosh, but I am looking for a board that can be used for serious industrial and commerical uses. I don't think the 68040 fits there, indeed the 68060 barely fits. PCI can be supported, and I suspect that the cost will be significantly less than you would expect. I'm also looking for some commerical uses to undertake that would subsidize the personal market - perhaps some networked games or simulators - Just sign me, -Optimistic in New Orleans. [37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta * Origin: Ocean Beach MM/1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1) [36m Public Message [31m(Rec) [36mMessage # 57 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : Dave Kelly [33mFrom : David Graham [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/21 17:06:22[33m On Wednesday, October 16th, 1996 - Dave Kelly wrote: DK> door. Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 DK> and your new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get DK> into some of the big industrial computer shows and display it DK> capabilities. DK> Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last DK> year. You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on DK> the market that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own DK> nitch in that marker?" Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit DK> waiting for people to come to them. DK> Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and DK> cities. One of the ways they help is to provide new business DK> information in the form of sources of venture capital and development DK> plans. I know the State of Texas provides a pretty thick packet of DK> this information DK> I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new DK> products are not being marketed aggressively enough. DK> ... DK> * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese Dave, you are entirely right. I too have though about this. Unfortunately, I am also still right. Without margin there is no money to spend on promotions. The AT306 relies on its resellers to provide their own capital for promotion without regaining that capital from sales. That has stunted sales. It would do the same thing with a new board. The price HAS to come up. In order for the price to come up, you must either sell whole systems only, or sell a more powerful motherboard. Or you must CREATE your won markets with other products. [37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta * Origin: Ocean Beach MM/1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1) [36m Public Message [36mMessage # 93 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : Allen Morgan [33mFrom : David Hazelton [35mSubject : Re: mm1:c [37mDate : 96/10/24 19:24:00[33m -=> Quoting Allen Morgan to David Graham <=- AM> Hello David! AM> Saturday October 12 1996 14:44, David Graham wrote to Dave Kelly: DK>> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way DK>> a person could build their own system from components they already DK>> have around the house as so many of us already do. DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it. AT306 sales are DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing AM> How about a port to the older Macintosh? I know that the 68040 AM> Mac's are slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9 AM> and a GUI (maybe resurrect Gwindows), it might sell. AM> If you design a AM> motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will find the resources to AM> get a PCI chipset in correctly? I just read that IBM was releasing there specs on there LONG TRAIL MOTHERBOARD for the taking. It is a PowerPC PCI based Motherboard with both MAC and PC connectors and support. IBM isn't going to mass produce these boards, but is giving the specs out free so some motherboard cloner can mass produce it. It isn't PPCP compliant yet, because you still need a option APPLE ROM card to run MAC-OS. Maybe that would be something to look into. If you can have these made at reasonable cost and Port your personal OS-9 to 601 code so when I actually buy a new computer it isn't using 10 year old parts. Within 6 months I am hopefully going to buy a new OS-9 computer...MM1B. I do feel a little uneasy about the Motherboard and will be willing to buy a more "upto date" Motherboard. I want something that I can replace in 10 years, not having to "hunt" for old technology to keep it running. Just a thought ~David Hazelton ... Stupidity is using a PC emultor on a MAC to read CoCo/OS-9 messages. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] [37m--- GrayQwkMail 2.1 * Origin: ACS Inc. BBS 404-636-2991 (1:133/510) [36m Public Message [36mMessage # 97 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m To : All [33mFrom : Warren Hrach [35mSubject : For sale [37mDate : 96/10/26 09:46:40[33m - For Sale: Hardware 1 CoCo III w/6309 CPU, 512K PBJ mem, Diode IRQ hack. (runs cool) 1 Multipak, white small case 1 Floppy Controller, J&M w/switch for an alternate ROM. 1 B&B HD Controller w/WD MFM controller and Hardware clock 1 Ken-Ton Dual RS232pak, w/6551a acia chips. 1 Floppy drive case w/2 DSDD Teac 360k drives, 1 external 3.5" 720 drive. 1 Hard drive case w/1 20 meg Seagate and 1 40 meg Seagate drives. 1 External HD power supply for above HD's Software Nitros9 version 1.6 RiBBS V2.11 (beta) (the Ocean Beach BBS 1:202/745) Supercomm Osterm Ved (word processor) Stylograph (word processor) Dynacalc Complete RiBBS available files on HD. Complete MM/1 available files on HD. Tandy OS9 level 2 on original disks. OS9 manuals and docs. Optional 1 Monochrome 13" monitor (green on black) $25.00 1 Anchor 2400 baud modem (hayes compatible) $15.00 1 Avatex 1200 baud modem, $10.00 I would prefer to sell this as an complete system for $350.00 plus shipping. $375.00 with monitor. If I do not get any offers by Nov. 15th I will break up the system and sell piecemeal. 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