read new nonstop follow 87159 4-MAY 18:01 Telecom (6809) RE: RiBBS (Re: Msg 87117) From: DENNYWRIGHT To: STEWARD I'll pas it along thanks! -*- 87160 4-MAY 20:05 System Modules (6809) RE: Dynacalc problem (Re: Msg 87040) From: MIKE_GUZZI To: WDTV5 version 1.16 but wes told me on fido i need another upgrade to fix a bug in cc3io. -*- 87162 4-MAY 22:16 System Modules (6809) RE: Dynacalc problem (Re: Msg 87160) From: WDTV5 To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR) Humm, I wonder what that is? I've had so many diff versions of cc3io go thru here that I long since gave up! I did the patch that lets me use the seriel mouse, and then patched that one to get rid of the slow disk bug caused by a clashing of IRQ mask bytes, and haven't changed it since. Do you have the seriel mouse? If so, then the one I'm useing will probably work b but may need an address patch if you're using the 4n1 seriel as the mouse port. I'm using a set of pgyy-backed chips in the regular 232 pack, just never got around to mmaking up the cable to use the 4n1 with it. Nothing else would change except that address as far as I know. Cheers Mike, Gene WDTV5@delphi.com -*- End of Thread. -*- 87161 4-MAY 22:09 Telecom (6809) RE: Windows (Re: Msg 87154) From: DSRTFOX To: CHARLESAM Are you the one who tried to pry the entire socket off the motherboard? -*- 87167 4-MAY 23:26 Telecom (6809) RE: Windows (Re: Msg 87154) From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON I understand what your saying okay. I was wondering why I was having such a hard time doing just what you describe. But tell me, can you do it if you put it all on one line separated by semi colons? I believe it can be done like that. Not sure though, I'll have to try it again. But yeah, it was driving me crazy doing exactly what you described. Well, I don't have to bump into that wall anymore. Boy, am I getting an education. Again thanx, Charlie -*- 87170 4-MAY 23:35 Telecom (6809) RE: Windows (Re: Msg 87161) From: CHARLESAM To: DSRTFOX (NR) Yeah, thats me... but thats not something I tell often anymore... :-! Frank, I lost or misplaced volume #4 of 68Micro, how much for another? Also, my subscription is due soon. If I see you at the Fest, I'll renew for another year. Great magazine. BTW, can you tell me if their (Glenside) akfast at the Fest? I didn't see mention of it in their circular. I just got my Fest tickets today. I'm as excited as a kid at Christmas and I'm 50..... Some people never grow up. ;-) Charlie -*- End of Thread. -*- 87163 4-MAY 22:17 Telecom (6809) RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87113) From: KENTMH To: CHARLESAM SC<>>>/w& in the startup file works for me! Kent -*- 87166 4-MAY 23:19 Telecom (6809) RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87153) From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON Tell you what, as much as I've been modifying my boot lately, I'm better off using the floppy. This way I can make use of that program that allows multiple boots on one disk. You going to the Fest? I'll be there. Driving from NY. Charlie Thanx Randy.. -*- 87168 4-MAY 23:27 Telecom (6809) RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87166) From: RANDYKWILSON To: CHARLESAM Nope, no fest for me. Matter of fact, if I remember the schedule correctly, I'll be in NY that weekend. :> Randy -*- 87171 4-MAY 23:40 Telecom (6809) RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87163) From: CHARLESAM To: KENTMH I was complicating it beyond belief! I understand now how its done. Its working fine just as you stated, you and several others. I was trying to load it into an existing window and thats where I went wrong. I'm getting an education here. Thanx Charlie -*- 87172 4-MAY 23:42 Telecom (6809) RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87168) From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON What brings you to New York? Business or pleasure? I'm sorry I won't get to meet you in person... Charlie -*- End of Thread. -*- 87164 4-MAY 22:52 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87137) From: KENTMH To: JOHNREED Not so!!! The speed of light (c) is aa universal CONSTANT, which cannot be exceeded. Hence the light from the headlamps would travel forward at the same speed as the car, as viewed from a stationary observer. Time and distance compression of the driver would cause the light to appear to move forward at the speed of light (c) relative to the driver, but that would require total (100%) time and distance compression (i.e., distance = 0 and time =0). This phenomenum implies that travel in excess of the speed of light causes distance and time inversion, the basis for reverse time travel theory. The unanswered question is whether sufficient energy exists to accelerate any real mass to or beyond the speed of light, and if mass converts to energy at the speed of light of light , since energy is the only known quantity able to travel at that speed. Perhaps mass travelling in our universe in excess of the speed of light is actually anti-matter travelling at the inverse speed. The acceleration attainable by close orbiting or directly targeting a black hole (near infinite gravity) is hypothesized as adequate to attain or exceed the speed of light, but who knows? Any volunteers? Kent -*- 87165 4-MAY 23:06 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164) From: WA2EGP To: KENTMH All you really have to do is reduce the inertial mass to zero. Problem solved! The problem with the light is that there would be a heck of a blue shift toward the front! (grin) -*- 87175 5-MAY 03:01 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164) From: PAGAN To: KENTMH >This phenomenum implies that travel in excess of the speed of light causes >distance and time inversion, the basis for reverse time travel theory. What happens when a value greater than c is used the equations involve the square root of negative numbers. What significance, if any, this has in the real world is subject to debate but it definitely does not mean time goes into reverse gear. >The unanswered question is whether sufficient energy exists to accelerate >any real mass to or beyond the speed of light, and if mass converts to >energy at the speed of light of light , since energy is the only known >quantity able to travel at that speed. Perhaps mass travelling in our >universe in excess of the speed of light is actually anti-matter travelling >at the inverse speed. The answer is simple, it takes infinite energy to accelerate a non zero rest mass to light speed. The truth of the equations that predict this get tested a million times a year in particle accelerators all over the world. No deviations from the predictions of special relativity yet. >The acceleration attainable by close orbiting or directly targeting a black >hole (near infinite gravity) is hypothesized as adequate to attain or exceed >the speed of light, but who knows? Any volunteers? There is a way to approach a collapsar in a spacelike way and leave it in a timelike way so it _may_ be possible to move backward in time but you will still never exceed the speed of light. If that isn't confusing enough, consider that if you had a "wormhole" and put one end on a spacecraft headed off to A Centauri and back at .99c whilst the other end stayed at home you might think the total trip would take nine years for the stay at homes and about 1 1/4 years for the travelers. However, general relativity requires that the two ends of that worm hole have to be "synchronized" and the total trip takes 1 1/4 years in both frames of reference. But you will still never exceed the speed of light! Before somebody starts pointing out the things that were "impossible" in the past that are commonplace now, I'll add that we are dealng with a fund- amental law of the universe, not someones' opinion. Relativity has been tested against reality for over half a century and has never failed to yield accurate predictions. That adds up to a pretty solid theory and is as close to certainty as an honest person can ever come. It may not be a complete picture of reality but it is not a wrong one. Any future theory must account for relativity just as relativity had to account for Newtonian mechanics. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 87182 5-MAY 21:14 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164) From: PAGAN To: KENTMH >This phenomenum implies that travel in excess of the speed of light causes >distance and time inversion, the basis for reverse time travel theory. What happens when a value greater than c is used the equations involve the square root of negative numbers. What significance, if any, this has in the real world is subject to debate but it definitely does not mean time goes into reverse gear. >The unanswered question is whether sufficient energy exists to accelerate >any real mass to or beyond the speed of light, and if mass converts to >energy at the speed of light of light , since energy is the only known >quantity able to travel at that speed. Perhaps mass travelling in our >ad a "wormhole" and pand peed of light is actually anti-matter travelling >at the inverse speed. The answer is simple, it takes infinite energy to accelerate a non zero rest mass to light speed. The truth of the equations that predict this get tested a million times a year in particle accelerators all over the world. No deviations from the predictions of special relativity yet. >The acceleration attainable by close orbiting or directly targeting a black >hole (near infinite gravity) is hypothesized as adequate to attain or exceed >the speed of light, but who knows? Any volunteers? There is a way to approach a collapsar in a spacelike way and leave it in a timelike way so it _may_ be possible to move backward in time but you will still never exceed the speed of light. If that isn't confusing enough, consider that if you had a "wormhole" and put one end on a spacecraft headed off to A Centauri and back at .99c whilst the other end stayed at home you might think the total trip would take nine years for the stay at homes and about 1 1/4 years for the travelers. However, general relativity requires that the two ends of that worm hole have to be "synchronized" and the total trip takes 1 1/4 years in both frames of reference. But you will still never exceed the speed of light! Before somebody starts pointing out the things that were "impossible" in the past that are commonplace now, I'll add that we are dealng with a fund- amental law of the universe, not someones' opinion. Relativity has been tested against reality for over half a century and has never failed to yield accurate predictions. That adds up to a pretty solid theory and is as close to certainty as an honest person can ever come. It may not be a complete picture of reality but it is not a wrong one. Any future theory must account for relativity just as relativity had to account for Newtonian mechanics. Stephen (PAGAN) -*- 87184 5-MAY 21:29 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87136) From: JRUPPEL To: MRUPGRADE That will definitely cause conffusion! I haven't me anyone who can push a Ford at the speed of light John -*- 87186 5-MAY 22:31 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87175) From: KENTMH To: PAGAN Stephen- A half century is less than a "grain of sand#" in the universal hourglass of time! Don't be limited by what you think you know or by what you don't think you don't know! Newtonian physics was considered unflappable in its time, but look what Albert did to it! Kent -*- 87191 6-MAY 00:22 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87175) From: MRUPGRADE To: PAGAN I have to say, your explaination,, seem thourough fiarly intelligent*, and complete. (plus very good spelling) At least up to the part you use theh measue of a whole 50 years,, as a period of universal (as in theh universe) proof. What portion of theh life of this planet does that fill? I could well imagine just 50 or 70 years ago,, space ships or their predictors would have drawn propellers on them,,, because it's a universal trueth, that (at that time) you couldn't move about above theh earth without them. the more learned scientists would agree: There are only towew things that will remain as inpossibilities: 1. A cure for theh common cold. 2. An honest politician that can get elected. 9 Til then,,, Terry Simons -*- 87193 6-MAY 00:25 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164) From: JOHNREED To: KENTMH (NR) > Not so!!! The speed of light (c) is aa universal CONSTANT, which cannot be Yeah, I thought about that after I posted the message -- my answer is only good for speeds "approaching" the speed of light. As far as the rest -- when (yeah, WHEN, not IF) someone does find a way to get somewhere a light-year away in less than a year, it will involve a short-cut. It's not that "it can't be done", we just haven't figured it out yet. ******************************** "Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent" (Pogo) John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 87199 6-MAY 22:04 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87186) From: JEJONES To: KENTMH (NR) > Newtonian physics was considered unflappable in its > time, but look what Albert did to it! In one way, quite a bit (e.g. demolished Newton's notion of absolute time); in another way, not much (since pool balls, pistons, pulleys, etc. don't travel at a significant fraction of the speed of light, people still use Newtonian mechanics to figure out how they behave and get answers that are good enough). Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- End of Thread. -*- 87169 4-MAY 23:29 General Information Pascal From: COMMUNICATOR To: KSCALES Jog, Jog, Pascal. Consider your memory jogged, and I hope you get this in time. Steve O. -*- 87179 5-MAY 05:02 General Information RE: Pascal (Re: Msg 87169) From: KSCALES To: COMMUNICATOR (NR) > Pascal. > > Consider your memory jogged, and I hope you get this in time. > > Steve O. Yo, Steve! Glad to see you still have your Delphi account. Got your message in time... (11:30 pm the night before the meeting -- nothing like a last-minute reminder ) Yep, I remembered our deal (even mentioned it tonight while talking with Colin). Got the manual sitting next to the mouse... Cheers... see you at the meeting / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 =-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-= -*- End of Thread. -*- 87173 4-MAY 23:50 General Information Fest From: CHARLESAM To: DSRTFOX (NR) I see my previous message got chopped some. I was asking if Glenside is having a breakfast at the Fest. I haven't seen mention of it. Charlie -*- 87174 5-MAY 00:59 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87173) From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM I don't think there is an "official" breakfast thing, but, that doesn't keep everyone from getting together i nthe hotel resteraunt Sat morning for a bite to eat. I don't think I'd make it to an early morning thing though. Friday night tends to be too much "fun" and I usually miss the first hour or so of the show 8-) Although, this year, my room will be pretty much right accross from the vender room entrance... so I mught be able to drag myself that short distance on time to the booth I'l be sitting in... -*- 87188 5-MAY 23:06 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87174) From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN Yeah, that sounds fine. My wife and I will arrive Friday evening sometime. Last year I went to the Iowa Fest and left my computer home. Not this time. I hope to take advantage of all the experts to configure my system for maximum capacity. That is if I can corral someone...;-) Having my Coco along I can test out what I purchase and maybe learn a few things too. BTW, what booth will you be in? Well, its just two weeks away now and I'm really looking forward to the day... Later Charlie -*- 87195 6-MAY 00:33 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87188) From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM I will be in the Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group booth. -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 87176 5-MAY 03:21 General Information RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87157) From: ISC To: COCOKIWI But, Dennis, If the hole seals the ink chamber why not refill it? Is it possible? Bill -*- 87190 5-MAY 23:40 General Information RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87176) From: COCOKIWI To: ISC you do!>grin< ........ mine started to leak on the bottom! Dennis....... -*- 87196 6-MAY 02:31 General Information RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87190) From: ISC To: COCOKIWI (NR) Well, Dennis, I think I understand this. The refillable cartridges I have seen have a sponge inside which holds the ink suspended. The high capacity cartridges probably use the seal vacuum to hold the ink inside. The ink probably flows by capillary action. Without the sponge inside, it is possible to have a larger ink capacity. However, that also defeats the possibility to refill them. Bill -*- End of Thread. -*- 87177 5-MAY 03:55 Applications (6809) com From: FRANCIES To: HI! I'M A V (NR) This seems so stupid. I do not know who I am communicating with and this is not what I expected. -*- 87189 5-MAY 23:15 Applications (6809) RE: com (Re: Msg 87177) From: CHARLESAM To: FRANCIES (NR) Take heart Francies, we probably all felt that way in the beginning. Just say your piece and don't worry about it. The parties here are very helpful and most have a good sense of humor.. Hope you get back here again. Charlie -*- End of Thread. -*- 87178 5-MAY 04:09 OSK Applications G-WINDOWS for MM/1 From: EDELMAR To: ALL I didn't get the 20 commitments I needed to do the port of G-WINDOWS for the MM/1 Computer so I'm dropping this project. My apologies, regrets and thanks to those who did make commitments. Those still interested in G-WINDOWS for the MM/1 might wish to contact FHL. I understand (rumor) that FHL is/will contract with Steve Adams to do the G-WINDOWS port for the MM/1. If true, they may be assured of getting a solid port. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO -*- 87200 6-MAY 22:37 OSK Applications RE: G-WINDOWS for MM/1 (Re: Msg 87178) From: JOELHEGBERG To: EDELMAR (NR) Ed, Thanks for trying. See you at the fest! -- Joel.. -*- End of Thread. -*- 87181 5-MAY 20:01 General Information HardDrive From: ACOTTON To: ALL I am trying to put togather a B&B GD system.. I have a 20MEG ST225 HD and My problem is when I boot up with the HD bootdisk that has BBFHDISK.DR and HD.dd configured for the st225 and TYPE 09: format /hd, fine on an IBM clone before I bought it.. I am using a coco3 with multi-pak. My power supply is an IBM clone 150 watt PS.. Any help will be apreciated.. Thank in advance.. Al... -*- 87187 5-MAY 22:35 General Information RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 87181) From: KENTMH To: ACOTTON Al- your message seems garbled. Can you resubmit? Kent -*- 87197 6-MAY 19:58 General Information RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 87187) From: ACOTTON To: KENTMH (NR) Sorry , some of my message must have gotten trucaded.. I put a hard drive system togather using a Burke & Burke Hd interface- a wd1002a-wx1 controler. I have the HD installed in an AT case with a 150 watt power suppy. My problem is that when I boot up the ssystem and type - format /hd, I get an ERROR 221 (module not found). I was wandering if this might be because of the controler as I am sure the drive is ok.. The B&B modules in my boot file are BBFHdisk.dr and HD.dd.. Thinks for any help... -*- 87202 6-MAY 23:25 General Information RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 87197) From: MITHELEN To: ACOTTON (NR) Definately souunds like a software problem... does "HD" show up when you do an "mdir". Perhaps the internal module name is something else. Also make sure the driver name encoded in the device descriptor (/hd) is set to "bbfhdisk", and not "bbfhdisk.dr" (do a "dump hd.dd" in the directory that hd.dd is in and look towards the end for the bbfhdisk string) -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 87183 5-MAY 21:21 General Information help From: ROBERT84 To: ALL Could someone help me out? I have downloaded several programs lately that require compiling (c), and I haven't got a clue as to what's needed. Could someone tell me what I need to compile a program. Thanks, Bob -*- 87185 5-MAY 21:39 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 87183) From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84 Fo starters, you need the C Compiler... If you don't have that, then your dead in the water. It CAN still be obtaind through Tandy, as a special order item. -*- 87198 6-MAY 21:46 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 87185) From: ROBERT84 To: MITHELEN I do have the os9 c compiler catalog number 26-3038. When I fstated the file cc1 it said it was created in 1983. Is this the one I ne ed? Thanks, Bob -*- 87201 6-MAY 23:21 General Information RE: help (Re: Msg 87198) From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84 (NR) Yep. That is the ONLY compiler ever released (officially) There has been MANY public improvements that you will want to get that will make things much faster, and better... Look into getting CC 2.5.2, C_Prep, Krieder CLib.l, Mike Sweets cgfx.l, Tim Kientzle's "make", ansifront, and probably a few other things I forgot. All of these things add much moire functionalit to the stock compiler, as well as inproveing it's execution speed, and speed of outputed executables... The simplest form of comileing a program would be: CC program.c which would create the executable module "program" in your current execution directory... large, complex program often have a type of "script" file called a "makefile" that a utility called "make" processes, and figures out exactly what needs to be done in order to produce the final result. It then does all the work automagically, starting up the compiler with the proper options, and whatever else it needs to do. -*- End of Thread. -*- 87192 6-MAY 00:22 General Information RE: OFNOHOC (Re: Msg 87019) From: TONYPODRAZA To: MITHELEN Just as soon as we find out the w/w/w/w, we can go. hmmmmmmmmmm why not bring it up at the meeting next week? -*- 87194 6-MAY 00:28 General Information RE: OFNOHOC (Re: Msg 87025) From: TONYPODRAZA To: REVWCP Sounds good. perhaps a bit of time could elapse after the FEST! before we undertake this. Then we would have a bit more to storm about. There's a few good eating establishments around the bend....but then, a trip to the lair of the RS232 wizard? Who could resist? and what is another 39 minutes travel time, anyway? How many people will the apartment hold? hehehehe we have about 18-30 people that meet at the library. wonder if they would all fit? ..........nasty thought, that, eh? -*- End of Thread. -*- 87203 7-MAY 00:15 System Modules (6809) Merging files From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON (NR) Randy, since os9 stores in 8k blocks, and SC (my version) is 17861 in size, that would mean SC would occupy 23040 or 3 8k blks. Since the space is there, could I merge a few commands in with SC and save paying rent. For that matter would it work with other applications??? My startup file is working fine now, but I don't have much memory left after Dynastar, Supercomm, and Presto-Partner get theirs. I also have an empty text window besides term. Memory left is 20 blks or 160k. Sys memory is 56 pgs or 14k. Thanx Charlie -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>