#: 14132 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jan-92 20:51:21 Sb: #14123-#MM/1 I/O Board Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim, I received my MM/1 last August. No, I didn't receive the update disks with the I/O board. I have downloaded newer drivers from the Ocean BBS and the latest driver update from dl12 here. I noticed the mask number on the scsi chip is 08. I was able to get the Seagate formatted with the new drivers from the Ocean BBS and the hard drive is pretty fast (seems to be about as fast as the IDE drive on my 386). I talked to Paul today and he said the update disks should be going out soon. I think he said Mark G. had the master disks now. He also said he received the Quantum drives today and just finished printing a new catalog. I've put about 4 megs on the hard drive (a ST138) and tried FHL's hard disk backup program fbu. Using the command line: fbu -$=dir-ur -b=1024k -d=/d1 itt took 6 minutes and 28 seconds to complete the backup to previously formatted diskks. And this is using a relatively slow hard drive and without the newest scsi drivers. All in all, not too bad. Got ot go play some more. Type at you later. Ernie. There is 1 Reply. #: 14155 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Feb-92 10:21:54 Sb: #14132-MM/1 I/O Board Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 You're one up on me, Ernie. The MM/1 arrived early last week (minus the I/O board at my request) and I quick ordered a Connor 120 meg HD, 2 megs of memory and a keyboard. All that stuff showed up by this past Friday. Friday evening Mark Griffith and I put the thing together (well ..... I did watch!) and it works. A couple of problems did crop up. The keyboard I ordered from Microlab in MI appears to be DOA. I'll check it out when I get back to the office. Otherwise, it's RMA-city for that puppy. Like many others, I'm anxiously awaiting my I/O board. From first impressions, it sure looks as if it will be worth the wait. Steve #: 14134 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jan-92 21:16:14 Sb: #14117-#Mshell Discount? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Lint? The only lint for OS-9 that I know of is a port of Gimpel's Generic Lint, and I thought someone other than Microware sold it. Alas, there is sort of a Catch 22 operating--more folks would buy it if it cost less. Gee, it would cost less if more people bought it. If I knew how to overcome the impasse, I'd probably be a lot richer. (Opinions expressed here are solely those of the poster.) There is 1 Reply. #: 14138 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jan-92 22:30:09 Sb: #14134-Mshell Discount? Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) lint--> it was a lint type of program... a C Source Debugger that Microware is offering for $850. Shucks, if they were asking $400 for it, I'd consider it....but I can do my own debugging of C routines, and a lot of it, for $850 (grin) jim #: 14137 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jan-92 22:13:35 Sb: #14111-Mshell Discount? Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 Have you looked at the TOP shell. I will soon be in a position to support it properly, fix bugs, etc. - Carl #: 14135 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jan-92 21:22:38 Sb: #14127-arrays in 'C' Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) It's true for the 680x0, x < 2 or == 7. The reason is that OS-9 wants to use position-independent and re-entrant code, and also that the compiler can't look into the future and tell how much data space will be linked together to make a finished program. It therefore generates code presuming that the 68K base plus signed 16-bit offset will suffice to access a variable by name, unless you use the "remote" storage class, which will cause it to use a rather longer (but sufficient to access anything anywhere) code sequence to get to the variable. (The 680x0, x >= 2 and x != 7, have addressing modes that avoid the limitation, so it's not as big a deal for those processors, though there is a definite code savings for the 16-bit offset vs. 32-bit offset addressing modes, of course!) #: 14136 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Jan-92 21:30:34 Sb: #New to OS9,Need Power Fm: JAMES LONG 70043,2203 To: ALL Not Being an avid os9 user (IBM or Msdos 5 is much friendlier, in my opinion) I am forced to put up with os9 innability to do much of anything from an OS standpoint. Does anyone Know where I can find such utilities as: TREE (or something like it), a NORTON COMMANDER like util, WHEREIS or FILEFIND, and lastly, is there any way I can make the prompt show the current directory (yes, like DOS) ? Im running OS9 2.2 68k from Micoware. How about a disk fix program that marks bad sectors out of the allocation table or am I dreaming ? I just read about MSHELL. What is that ? Being new to os9 is a pain. My system at home (286) cranks and thats what I want to do with this box but Im a little short on utilities. Anyone have a few suggestions? Thanks, James. There are 3 Replies. #: 14141 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 31-Jan-92 11:43:58 Sb: #14136-New to OS9,Need Power Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: JAMES LONG 70043,2203 James - ANY time you step into a new environment it appears to be hostile and barren... this is mostly a) extreme familiarity with your previous environment and b) lack of knowledge about where to get the utils & tools for the new environment. With the possible exception of MS-DOS's new shell, I think most folks would find bare bones DOS a pretty ugly option as well. Most of my background with OS9 was with the 6809 version, so that may be of limited use to you. The good news is that most folks in the os9 domain post SOURCES in their AR files (our equivalent of .ZIP files - you'll need AR68.BIN to bust them up), and for the most part these sources will port fairly easily to 68K boxes. On a file finder, look at the FILES.AR source in DL9. Should port to OSK without too much of a problem. Regarding the other stuff, perhaps some of the more active 68K folks will chime in. Pete #: 14142 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 31-Jan-92 16:40:52 Sb: #14136-New to OS9,Need Power Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: JAMES LONG 70043,2203 James, Having introduced many MS-DOS users to OS9, I think I can appreciate your dilemma. When people go from 'half an operating system' to an operating system as powerful as OS9, they are often quite bewildered. I think you'll find that the people on this forumn are friendly and helpful but they do expect you to do some of your own homework. I suggest you first study the OSK manual particularly those sections pertaining to the shell and format. Then go through library 12 and pull the TOP index. Many of the utilities you may need are there - no charge - PD stuff and pretty good. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 14146 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Feb-92 09:21:39 Sb: #14136-New to OS9,Need Power Fm: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 To: JAMES LONG 70043,2203 Want to find a filename anywhere on your disk? type: dir -arsu /dd ! grep Want to list all your directories? type: dir -n /dd If you want to look at a disk other than your default disk, just type the disk name instead of /dd. Want to see what your data directory is? type: pd The stock shell won't prompt you with the current data path, but the optional MSHELL (big bucks from Microware) might. I'm not sure about your disk checker program. I have to use MSDOS at work (we run PS/2's) and think OS-9 is rather easier to deal with. bud #: 14139 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 31-Jan-92 06:33:05 Sb: Floppy Driver Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All To All MM/1 Owners: I put the wrong floppy driver module in the MM/1 Update archives. That driver will not work with PCF. I have uploaded a new driver by itself in Library 12. As soon as it is enabled, please download it. Sorry for any problems my mistake may have caused. Mark #: 14140 S1/General Interest 31-Jan-92 10:45:20 Sb: Rules to LIVE by... Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All 10 commandments for Technicians ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Beware the lightning that lurketh in the undischarged capacitor, lest it cause thee to bounce upon thy buttocks in a most un-technicianlike manner. 2. Cause thou the switch that supplieth large quantities of juice to be opened and thus tagged, that thy days in this Earthly vale of tears be long. 3. Prove to thyself that all circuits that radiateth and upon which thou toil are grounded and thusly tagged lest they lift thee unto radio heaven. 4. Tarry thou not amongst those fools that engageth in intentional shocks, for they are surely non-believers and are not longeth for this world. 5. Take care that thou useth the proper method when thou taketh the measure of a high voltage circuit, lest thou incinerate both thyself and thy meter. 6. Take care thou tampereth not with interlocks and safety devices, for this incurreth the wrath of thy supervisor and bringeth the fury of the safety inspector upon thy head and about thyhshoulders. 7. Toil not thou on energized equipment, for if thou so doest, thy fellow workers will surely buy beers for thy survivors and console them otherwise. 8. Service thou equipment not alone, for electrical cooking is a slothful process and thy mind will sizzle in thine own juices for hours upon a hot circuit before thy maker sees fit to end thy misery. 9. Trifle thou nit with radioactive tubes and substances lest thou commenceth to glow in the dark liketh a lightning bug and thy spouse hath no further use for thee except for thy wages. 10. Causeth thou to be tagged all modifications made by thee upon equipment lest thy successor teareth out hair by the roots and goeth slowly mad in an attempt to decide what manner of creature madeth a nest in the wiring of such equipment. #: 14143 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 31-Jan-92 20:14:22 Sb: #OS-9 Utilities Fm: MARK LITTLE 70761,3147 To: SYSOP (X) I have OS-9 L I on a CoCo2, and OS-9 L II on a CoCo3. I would like to know if there is in the libraries the following files: 1. C compiler files to use the RadioShack C compiler on L II 2. A TSMON driver for L II that uses /T2 & /M2 slots 3. A TS-WORD compatible spell checker utility 4. Also, which OS-9 terminal program do you suggest over this DESKMATE? Thanks, Mark Little There is 1 Reply. #: 14144 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 01-Feb-92 07:27:59 Sb: #14143-OS-9 Utilities Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: MARK LITTLE 70761,3147 (X) Mark - 1. There are several add-on files for the C compiler in DL3. You don't need to do anything to get the compiler to work under LII - it does already. 2. Scan dl7 for keyword *MON and see what they have (they have a few of them). 3. The UGLIB 'spell' utility works just like the UNIX spell, and can be used with any textfiles. 4. For CIS use, grab STERM??.AR in DL7. It supports CIS B protocol which will make dowloading from CIS a breeze. It also supports Xmodem. Pete #: 14149 S7/Telecommunications 01-Feb-92 21:58:58 Sb: #14116-OSK sterm bug Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 (X) Let me know if you don't find getopt.h and I'll mail it. I've heard that xmodem bus traps but don't use xmodem so haven't chased it. But I would appreciate it if you would let me (or Mark) know if you find the problem. - Carl #: 14151 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Feb-92 00:29:58 Sb: BASIC's INKEY Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: all Can anyone advise me on the use of INKEY in BASIC (on the 68000 that is)? The format as my manuals reads is INKEY(#) ant that is just about the same as the FILSIZ command. WHen I try to run INKEY from path 0 (the keyboard) I invariably come up with an error 208. I can run it from another path such as a disk file but what would be the point? All I want to do is the same as the INKEY under BASIC09 or even old DECBasic. Was trying to write a quick and nasty DISPLAY command for my new TC70 but it looks as if I will really have to polish up my C if I cannot get BASIC's INKEY to work from the keyboard. Looking back I find I lie a bit - the battle with INKEY is more in the area of a key converter so I can read the output from the arrow keys. Then I want to do the dislay. #: 14152 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Feb-92 01:52:58 Sb: MM/1 Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: all MM/1 for sale - includes the following : System unit w/1MB of RAM in 'baby' AT case (IMS) 1 TEAC and 1 FUJITSU 3.5" 1.2M floppy drives 1 QUANTUM LP105S SCSI drive (new, installed - waiting on I/O board) 1 Monterey 101 key keyboard - your choice of 'click' or 'soft' styles 1 Mouse Systems ergonomic Trackball (brand new in box) Complete set of Microware OS-9 v.2.4 manuals Signetics 68070 and VSC manuals All included IMS documentation and software - 'C', BASIC, Oddjob, etc. Current delivery position for I/O board and serial port(s) System has very LOW hours and delivery of I/O board will depend on when IMS ships to me. $1275 OBO Leave E-Mail - 'mail' instead of 'reply'ing to this message. ...Jim /exit Press !>