Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 20:17:14 PDT Reply-To: Return-Path: Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: surfpunk@versant.com (n uhtr nzbhag bs frvfzvp snhyg-fyvccvat) To: surfpunk@versant.com (SURFPUNK Technical Journal) Subject: [surfpunk-0099] $$$: Commercialization of the internet. * "Singapore is an astonishingly efficient and * repressive hyper-modern state, like Disneyland * with the death penalty." * * -- William Gibson I've heard that Mike Doonsbury is now on the internet... Here are a bunch of articles about the commercialization of the net. Some news reports, some people's analysis, some announcements of commercial service. Notice I've been collecting some of this material for a few months, waiting to do a big issue on them. --strick -- Internet: commercial or not? [L. Detweiler] -- "Cable Company is Set to Plug into Internet -- AT&T Announces New Internet Connectivity Options -- The Internet Letter (ISSN 1070-9851), the first commercial newsletter -- IETF + PEM = Internet Commerce -- O'Reilly Internet Magazine -- Subscription to Federal Register -- The Daily Cyber-Sleaze Report [finger hotlist@mtv.com] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Internet: commercial or not? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 23:35:29 -0600 From: "L. Detweiler" This is just a little blip on the screen of the increasing strains in the commercialization of the internet, a message enclosed below for your perusal. There is a huge amount of seismic fault-slipping on this subject. What is `allowed' on the internet? For example, are people allowed to send credit card numbers to businesses for purchase? this is happening with e.g. Wired subscriptions and other situations, but most places who advertise directly get flamed by someone in the NSF ranks, and afterwards at least do it more discreetly. The situation is that the `internet' is now such a patchwork of different nets, all with different policies and oversight, is very close to anarchy, but still with distinct `taboos' against commercial activity, to put it lightly. But the day that everyone will be dialing up the Online Shopping Program over their PCs is inevitable and rapidly approaching. The only question is, what will become of the current `internet'? Will future networks just be laid on top of it, or will it whither up after all traffic moves to completely `unrestricted' commercial networks? I was just telling someone in email: to the extent that you like the Internet, it is unrepresentative of the typical government program. To the extent that you dislike it, it is representative. It has only flourished to the degree it has because of relative *unregulation* and *unrestriction*. A major problem is that there is no way to guarantee that a given message traverses exclusively commercial networks in going from one source to another. I propose that new mail protocols be developed that enforce the distinction, such that the message can `request' it be transmitted in a completely commercial `unrestricted' path or not at all. In this way a new group of networks governed by agencies explicitly commited to unrestricted commercial traffic (hehe, sounds sort of ominous like Unrestricted Submaring Warfare). In the current situation, all the government bureacrats fire off messages that `even though your message can travel on commercial nets only, there is no way of guaranteeing that it does not cross public networks, therefore it must abide by NSF Internet Use Policies.' In a system where transmission paths are prescribed for email, a completely commercial network can be achieved, an absolutely critical foundation for all future electronic economics, and all our favorite ideas (digital banks, services, etc.), with no whiney complaints from the Backward Bureacrats. If anyone is familar with the proliferation of online services over commercial internet subnetworks, such as the `biz' distribution of Usenet, please post more information on the progress of this. Read my words! as beautiful and promising as the Internet is today, it is just a small glimmer in the eye of future cyberspace, in which all traffic is unrestricted except in volume and cost per bit (the former prodigious and the latter piddly), so that commercial enterprise can flourish. We have already waited long enough. The current taboos on the internet will look quaintly archaic. Look at the way this guy below is whining because the NIC service had a `nice booth at InterOp' with enough cost to have funded `3-4 full time employees typing whois entries' and asks for an `audit' because of the possibility of (horrors) `advertising'. Yes, in the current dark ages I concede he has a valid point (they are funded in part by NSF grants), but this shows in crystalline clarity the absolutely chilling effect that government funding has on a project (e.g., the internet) in constraining its full commercial development. The greatest supporters are the greatest detractors! Where else would a company be criticized & investigated for having a classy booth at a trade convention (uh, Microsoft excepted)? When the whole cyberspace in unrestricted, though, I suppose he'll pop up complaining about the big companies with glossy booths that could have funded 20 children on Welfare. BTW, Network Information Center, database & catalogue of all internet services, while a thinly veiled approach likely to evolve into a full-fledged charging & advertising Cyberspatial Yellow Pages, is clearly a cornerstone of AT&T's new drive into the internet for the masses. (What is this guy referring to in the `attempt to reduce expected services as with Whois'?) ===cut=here=== Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 12:09:31 EDT From: William Allen Simpson To: ietf@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: over funding of [InterNIC] It has become apparent with the recent spate of disregard for internet etiquette (posting job positions, posting "advertisements"), and the simultaneous attempt to reduce expected services (whois), the providers of the InterNIC are not suitable. Did everyone see that they can afford a nice booth at InterOp? When did any previous NSF grantee get such a thing? The cost could have funded 3-4 full-time employees typing whois entries. Obviously, the grant was too large, since they have all of this extra money for advertising. And why would they need to advertise, except that they want to leverage a monopoly grant position into some commercial market? I call for an NSF audit to endure that NSF money was not spent for advertising and lobbying. Bill.Simpson@um.cc.umich.edu ________________________________________________________________________ To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: AT&T & cable co. `internet for the masses' product announcements Date: Wed, 25 Aug 93 22:36:33 -0600 From: "L. Detweiler" Two announcements on products that will bring internet to large audiences. One by Continental Cablevision Inc. The cable line one apparently uses special coaxial cable modems, and apparently is full-duplex (?). On front page of today's Wall St. Journal. Following that, AT&T announces the Interspan `Frame Relay Services and Information Access Services' to the internet. In the former, one gets `cost-effective' internet capabilities, in the later ``current Interspan customers and all global Internet users will be able to subscribe to the full range of messaging services from AT&T EasyLink Services including electronic mail, text-to-fax delivery and telex, and will be able to communicate with subscribers of non-Internet commercial network services worldwide.'' Access through current connections with new `virtual circuit' or by anyone at 300-14.4 bps in nationwide, toll free, seven digit number 950-1ATT, also an 800 number. Also, customers can register in an AT&T database for the DNS system with company names. Also, access to InterNic directory (hm, I wonder if that was built in preparation & anticipation of this). then stuff on the current EasyLink: 160 countries, electronic messages with data interchange, gateways from LANs, email, enhanced fax, etc. The critical question underlying all these services -- when will it be the case that a completely cyberspatial company is erected, free of harassment by archaic `internet acceptable use policies'? ===cut=here=== From: cook@path.net (Gordon Cook) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 17:41:51 GMT >From today's Wall St. Journal "Cable Company is Set to Plug into Internet Cable Television will connect to the Internet, information pathway to millions of personal computer users world-wide, early next year through direct link up via Continental Cablevision Inc., one of the nation's largest cable operators. The service, which could greatly alter delivery of electronic information, would allow Continental's customers to plug PCs and a special modem directly into Continental's cable lines, said William Schrader, President of Performance Systems, a Herndon, VA. network services company that is Continental's partner in the project. The cable link would by pass local phone and other special hookups to access the internet directly. More significantly it would allow customers . . . to fetch whole kinds of information. . . at information superhighway speeds - as fast as 10 million bits per second. . . . Mr Schrader said. . . . . "This isn't some fluffy pie-in-the-sky vision," said David Fellows, a senior vice president at Continental. Added Mr. Schrader: "Other companies such as Time Warner inc in Orlando are talking about elaborate multimedia service tests. But our plan is small simple and easy. This will work." But while the new service holds much promise, no one is sure what the customer demand will be, especially at an estimated cost of $70 to $100 a month. . . . [Comment by G COOK Here the Journal gets confused. It seems to assume that the audience for this service is the same as for prodigy or for CATV home entertainment. NOT TRUE! The audience will be telecommuters, individual entrepreneurs, and small businessmen with their own LANs, and K-12 school districts, and local governments for whom $100 a month would be about 20% of what they would have to pay for equivalent service over regular internet RBOC phone access channnels.] Performance Systems, which provides a means for customers to hook up to the internet system , plans to install computer routers in the continental network. . . . The routers will be installed in the main hubs or "head end" facilities in continental's vast network, allowing easy extension of the new internet service to homes and businesses tethered to the cable company. For the customer's home or business computer Performance Systems will provide a special computer modem to reach the service. The two companies plan to announce the service today at an industry trade show in San Francisco. The first hookups are scheduled to take place in Cambridge Mass where Continental has many subscribers connected to Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology." The rest of the article is plain vanilla what is the internet all about. This seems to me to be an extremely significant announcement that does not bode well for the RBOCs. I'd expect to see the rest of IP commercial service providers running hard to jump on the band wagon. _______________________________________________________________ Gordon Cook, Editor Publisher: COOK Report on Internet -> NREN 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 cook@path.net (609) 882-2572 Ask about my 15,000 word, $250, CATV vs. Telco's Internet & NII Study _______________________________________________________________ ===cut=here=== Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 18:04:27 -0500 From: farber@central.cis.upenn.edu (David Farber) Subject: rather PRey but still -- AT&T Announces New Internet Connectivity Options FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Tuesday, August 24, 1993 AT&T Announces New Internet Connectivity Options BASKING RIDGE, N.J -- AT&T today announced new options that will provide a single-vendor solution for accessing both the global Internet and enhanced messaging services. These new options will be available in the first quarter of 1994 to customers of AT&T InterSpan (R) Services, AT&T EasyLink Services and the millions of people worldwide who use the Internet. There will be new connections to the Internet from AT&T InterSpan Frame Relay Services and Information Access Services. There also will be new connections from AT&T EasyLink Services to the Internet through AT&T InterSpan Services. Customers of InterSpan Services will gain a variety of convenient, cost-effective options to access the global Internet. At the same time, InterSpan customers and all global Internet users will be able to subscribe to the full range of messaging services from AT&T EasyLink Services including electronic mail, text-to-fax delivery and telex, and will be able to communicate with subscribers of non-Internet commercial network services worldwide. AT&T InterSpan Frame Relay Service customers will have access to the Internet by simply adding a single permanent virtual circuit to their existing connections. Similarly, InterSpan Information Access Service customers will be able to access the Internet at speeds ranging from 300 - 14400 bps with a nationwide toll-free, seven-digit number (950-1ATT). "Increasingly, organizations need to reach beyond their own boundaries to access the information and computing resources they need," said Jayne Fitzgerald, product line director, InterSpan Data Communications Services. "With these new options, our customers will have the opportunity to simplify their premises equipment needs and vendor interface requirements, as well as streamline their network management issues." For customers of AT&T EasyLink Services, who already have access to the global Internet, the new connections will mean improved reliability and performance for their Internet communications. "More and more people, including AT&T customers, want to have the option to communicate on the global Internet," said Sal Noto, product management vice president, AT&T EasyLink Services. "In providing that option, we're increasing the ease with which millions of people can access each other as well as the information they want and need." The new AT&T options will include a naming service based on the Domain Name System (DNS), a widely used method for naming and translating addresses on the Internet. With this service, AT&T customers will be able to register an Internet name of their choice--one that reflects their corporate identity, for example--and use that name for their communication on the Internet. AT&T also will offer to assist customers with selection, registration and maintenance of their names on the Internet. All of the new AT&T Internet connectivity options will support TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol/ Internet Protocol), the primary method for transferring information across various networks on the Internet. Customers of the new Internet connectivity options will be able to tap into the InterNic directory and database services. Provided by AT&T since April under a cooperative agreement with the National Science Foundation, these services make it easier for all Internet users to find available Internet resources. AT&T InterSpan Frame Relay Service and InterSpan Information Access Service are members of a comprehensive new family of high-quality, innovative data connectivity solutions designed to make it easier to link people, locations and information. The InterSpan Services facilitate faster, more efficient distributed computing for business through customized data services flexible enough to change and grow as a company evolves. AT&T EasyLink Services serves more than 160 countries and has sales and support offices in three dozen countries. AT&T EasyLink Services offers one of the broadest arrays of electronic messaging services in the market, including electronic data interchange, gateways from LAN-based e-mail systems and telex, in addition to electronic mail, enhanced fax and information services. # # # Editors' notes: The global Internet is a system of approximately 14,000 interconnected data networks, reaching more than 100 countries and serving commercial organizations, research organizations, governments and universities. By the end of 1993, more than 2 million computers, terminals and other devices will be accessible on the Internet. 950 access is currently available in 90% of the U.S. market. Where 950 access is not available and as back-up, an 800 number is provided. # # # ________________________________________________________________________ The Internet Letter (ISSN 1070-9851), the first commercial newsletter on the Internet, will premiere at INET 93 and INTEROP(r)93, and a hard copy version will be available at Booth #1334 (InterCon Systems Corp.) in the South Hall of the Moscone Center. The first issue of TIL provides provides the following information about the editor: The editor is Jayne Levin (netweek@access.digex.net). Levin was former deputy bureau chief of Institutional Investor in Washington, D.C., and has written on the Internet for The Washington Post and Infoworld. Tony Rutkowski (amr@CNRI.Reston.VA.US) is special adviser. Rutkowski is founder and vice president of the Internet Society and director of technology assessment at Sprint Corp. He was former editor-in-chief and publisher of Telecommunications magazine. 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The articles were professionally written and incisive: 001) INTERNET EXPERIENCING AN INFORMATION EXPLOSION 002) COMPANIES TAP INTERNET'S POWER 003) THE TOP 150 COMMERCIAL USERS ON INTERNET -- CHART 004) CIA, US GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES DEVELOP INTERNET LINK 005) REALTY FIRM IMPROVES PRODUCTIVITY, INTERNET SPEEDS REALTY TRANSACTIONS 006) MULTIMEDIA MAGAZINE TO DEBUT ON INTERNET 007) TASK FORCE PROPOSES STANDARD TO SECURE CONTENTS OF E-MAIL 008) INTERNET MERCANTILE STANDARDS EXPLORED 009) GOPHER LICENSING FEE SPARKS DISPUTE 010) FINDING GOPHER & GN 011) FROM SOFTWARE TO MAGAZINES, BUYING ELECTRONICALLY 012) CIX LAUNCHES COMMERCIAL "INFORMATION" EXCHANGE 013) SOME COMPANIES PREFER WAIS FOR BUILDING IN-HOUSE DATABASES 014) MORE ON WAIS 015) INTERNET TO ASSIST BETHANY IN ADOPTION SERVICES 016) FAQ 017) PROVIDERS' CIRCUIT 018) CIX CONTACTS -- CHART 019) TIPS & TECHNIQUES 020) POINTERS 021) TALK OF THE NET 022) WASHINGTON 023) READ ALL ABOUT IT 024) DATEBOOK The first issue of TIL provides the following price information: 30-DAY INTEROP SPECIAL (good until September 30) 40% Discount off the regular rate of $249/year Charter subscriptions: $149/year -- a 40% discount. Universities and nonprofits $95/year. If you not completely satified, your money will be refunded. You can receive The Internet Letter electronically or on paper. ________________________________________________________________________ To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: IETF + PEM = Internet Commerce Date: Thu, 09 Sep 93 23:39:48 -0600 From: "L. Detweiler" Report: the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) is very pro-commerce and recently met in Amsterdam for a session to discuss Internet Mercantile Protocols (IMP). It would allow consumers & companies on the Internet to combine PEM and MIME to complete and automate commercial transactions. J. C. Davin, previously of Bellcore helped initiate the IMP project. He envisions a standard that would allow companies to sell data such as image files or software. Another approach being considered would allow a sort of `home shopping network' approach. Meeting m Amsterdam minutes can be found at thumper.bellcore.com. Directory path: pub/devetzis/imp. Get: imp-archive. Mail me for more information. - - - On a related note, Bob Metcalf of IETF and columnist for InfoWorld was on NPR recently and talked about the `pampered elite' of people with Unix machines that are currently using the internet. The comment was clarified to mean that a vast audience of people with PCs and Macs and other low-end computers are mostly unconnected. IETF membership info appended. He shows a strong commitment to: 1) increasing address space for participants of the next century - `upgrading in one of the biggest cutovers since Great Britain decided to drive on the right side of the road' 2) exploiting ATM with ``cell-based protocols, operating systems, and applications. Otherwise, the Internet stays stuck in its current 20-year-old ASCII-bound applications -- TELNET, FTP, and E-mail.'' 3) strong support for *individual* subscribers vs. the current institutional monopoly, with ISDN playing a central role 4) he's in favor of usage billing as a critical aspect of commercial development. ``Internet carriers must be able, as are telephone companies, to settle with one another for traffic carried on behalf of each other's customers.'' From: "Bob Metcalfe" >if you want to join the Internet Society, as I just did, >to keep in touch with how the third generation is coming along, it costs $70 >per year and gets you the quarterly /Internet Society News/. Call >703-620-8990. ________________________________________________________________________ From Brian Erwin Newsgroups: comp.newprod Subject: O'Reilly Internet Magazine Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 05:51:55 CDT THE GLOBAL NETWORK NAVIGATOR An Internet-based Information Center O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. Free Subscription (send mail to info@gnn.com) Next month, we will launch a new experiment in online publishing, _The Global Network Navigator_ (GNN), a free Internet- based information center that will initially be available as a quarterly. GNN will consist of a regular news service, an online magazine, The Whole Internet Interactive Catalog, and a global marketplace containing information about products and services. Keep Up with News of the Global Network The Global Network News provides a continuously updated listing of interesting news items by and about the users of the Internet, including announcements of new information services. Discover New Interests in GNN Magazine Each issue will present articles developed around a common theme, such as government or education. Regular columns will cover such topics as how to provide information services on the Internet or help for new Internet users. 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Undetected, we are both, or might be neither. ________________________________________________________________________ Send postings to , subscription requests to . WWW Archive at ``http://www.acns.nwu.edu/surfpunk/''. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ I saw this Letter to the Editors recently in a "family-oriented" Macintosh weekly & thought you'd all enjoy it... - dave "Ma and Pa Finder Can Beat the Peter Pan Syndrome" -------------------------------------------------- My mother was right. I am not capable of taking care of myself. Although I haven't mislaid my head as she long predicted, I have lost nearly everything else. I thought the Macintosh was going to help me organize my life, but it let me down. My start-up volume, Moby Disk, is full of hundreds of folders with names like Stuff, Stuff2 and Son of Stuff. The names are somewhat accurate, they do contain stuff, but I have absolutely no idea what that stuff is. The Macintosh doesn't help. For me, the Finder is more of a Loser. I've noticed [MacWEEK columnist] Don Crabb's ongoing attempt in The Mac Manager column to inspire Finder improvements and alternatves. These new approaches will never succeed. The onus is still on the user to organize data, and a lot of us are simply incapable of doing that. A woman recently told me that many men suffer from the Peter Pan syndrome. They refuse to grow up. I think she's right, and I qualify. I appreciate this slander, because it provides me with a flimsy excuse for my lack of any organizational maturity. I'm one of those fellows who believes that underwear on the floor and socks in the hallway are easier to find. If Apple wants to show off one of its new technologies and promote a better user environment, it needs to incorporate psychology. For many of us, our mothers are the only people who ever managed to exert some semblance of control over our naturally messy selves. Bring out the Ma Finder. Using PlainTalk's synthetic speech capabilities, the Ma Finder talks to you as you perform tasks: "Now pick up that file and put it where it belongs!" This is way cool. I'd love it if my mother took over my life. The real one would never put up with my nonsense again, but the Ma Finder would. More disk space: "Do you really need a seventh copy of TeachText?" Better descriptors: "Nice people don't use file names like that!" Easier searches: "This folder looks like a pigsty. Clean it up." Better moral values: "I found this GIF file in your 'Hot' folder and, frankly, I'm a little disappointed." And old fashioned motherly feedback: "So if George threw his System folder in the Trash, would you have to do the same thing?" You'd have to be careful, though. If the Ma Finder started getting on your nerves, it is not as simple as going to the Sound control panel and pulling the slider down to zero. "Don't you hush me, young man!" Try it, and you're likely to hear from her partner, the Pa Finder. The Pa Finder might have a very different way of communicating with you. "Get your butt in here and empty the Trash! " Or perhaps, "Boy, what is wrong with you?" Apple can get a bit crazy when it comes to product introductions. We might end up seeing a different Finder personality every six months. Bully Finder: "Drop one more file in this folder and I'm going to sock you! " Cop Finder: "Let me see your license and registration card." Doctor Finder: "Cough." Boyfriend Finder: "Trust me." Girlfriend Finder: "No." Michael H. Spindler Finder: "You need to toss out another 1,400 files." I really would like a Macintosh that helped me intelligently manage massive amounts of data. It is difficult to maintain schemes for organizing years of work and thousands of files. I don't have time during the day to Iook for the perfect algorithm, so I am hoping that Apple or a third-party developer discovers the right solution. G Morgan Watkins Manager, Microcomputer Technologies University of Texas at Austin