CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 07/01/90 01:21:43 ++LINE > 9 LONG - truncated, return to ACCEPT, ^U to RE-ENTER: Q_VHA>Y^@^U ?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 215811; next msg =43753; 381 active msgs. Prev. call 06/25/90 @ 21:46, next msg was 43733 Recording logon for next time. Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx You asked for 5 more NULLS (pressed N while CBBS typed) Nulls were: 0 How many wanted:?0 "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 114 KILLED. 38 SUMMARY. 25 43733 06/25/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JOHN SERRANO: "R/HARD DRIVE WOES" 43734 06/26/90 ERIC BOHLMAN => CLIFF SHARP: "R/? PARTITION TABLE INFO" 43735 06/26/90 CLIFF SHARP => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/PARTITION TABLE INFO" 43736 06/26/90 CLIFF SHARP => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/HARD DRIVE WOES" 43737 06/26/90 KEVIN KEYSER => CURT ROSTENBACH: "R/HAMFESTS?" 43738 06/26/90 CLIFF SHARP => ERIC BOHLMAN: "TABLE INFO" 43739 06/26/90 JOHN SERRANO => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/HARD DRIVE WOES" 43740 06/27/90 BRENT JONES => WARD: "GRANDVIEW" 43741 06/27/90 CLIFF SHARP => ALL: "SUPER VHS RENTALS?" 43742 06/27/90 JOHN SERRANO => ALL: "CALCULATOR FOR MS-WINDOWS" 43743 06/27/90 DON PIVEN => CLIFF SHARP: "R/S-VHS RENTALS" 43744 06/27/90 DON PIVEN => JOHN SERRANO: "R/MS-WINDOWS CALC" 43745 06/28/90 PHIL SCHUMAN => ALL: "PC & TOKEN & AS/400" 43746 06/28/90 PHIL SCHUMAN => ALL: "COPY '*' BUG ??" 43747 06/29/90 ABRAHAM DUENAS => ALL: "80287-6 4 SALE" 43748 06/29/90 RICH KINGDON => KEVIN KEYSER: "R/HAMFESTS?" 43749 06/30/90 MIKE REINHART => CURT ROSTENBACH: "R/HAMFESTS?" 43750 06/30/90 MIKE REINHART => ALL: "HAMFEST LIST" 43751 06/30/90 DAVID GIBBS => PHIL SCHUMAN: "R/PC & TOKEN & AS/400" 43752 06/30/90 JOHN SERRANO => ALL: "A 4 MEG SIMM?" - End of summary - Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 43733 is 17 line(s) on 06/25/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JOHN SERRANO re: R/HARD DRIVE WOES That, of course, is not normal. Of the jillions of 30's I've seen (all with IBM drives) I've never seen that circumstance. Sorry you're having a problem! What I think it might be is that you're over-taxing the power supply, perhaps. I'd suggest putting a meter on the drive at power up time - see what it goes to - perhaps an oscilloscope would be better (set on a real slow sweep). Perhaps the start-up current of your drive is so high compared to the flea-powered IBM drives, causes the "crow-bar" effect on the power supply, and it shuts down - thus the drive doesn't spin. Another common problem is that some drives just plain "stick" - they don't spin up. I've had a ST-225 that did that. My solution was to apply my "physics" degree, and pick up the entire computer, and rotate it slowly 1/4 turn, then "snap" it back, causing the platters to spin slightly within the drive housing (lots easier than taking off covers and nudging it with a screwdriver!) Do you have any other boards in the system? Is it running the original IBM disk controller, or an add-on? Msg 43734 is 04 line(s) on 06/26/90 from ERIC BOHLMAN to CLIFF SHARP re: R/? PARTITION TABLE INFO Best reference I've seen is Terry Dettman's "DOS Programmer's Reference" (Que, 1988, ISBN 0-88022-327-8). It covers the partition table (info too long to repeat here). It's a very good reference to MS-DOS programming in general. Msg 43735 is 07 line(s) on 06/26/90 from CLIFF SHARP to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/PARTITION TABLE INFO Thanks for the Reference suggestion, Eric. I've been looking for one that has more info than the Duncan book for some time, but haven't come up with anything. Don't understand why it's too long to get into, though, as the tables themselves (four of them) seem to be 16 bytes long, starting at offset 7BE into the data on Cyl 0, head 0, sector 1. is it really that complex? I'm scaring myself! :-) Msg 43736 is 10 line(s) on 06/26/90 from CLIFF SHARP to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/HARD DRIVE WOES Surprised to hear about the problem with an ST-225, Ward. I've never had the problem or heard about it before with those babies. Now, the ST-251 is reputed to have sticktion problems. I've got two -225's here, one of them bought in Jan 1986 and the other made up of the electronics from one reject (brand-new) unit and the "mechanics" of another reject (brand-new again); the only significant problems I've had are occasional bad-sector messages from my read-ahead cache, which scare me into an occasional low-level format. (The older of the drives appears to have had a head crash at some time, though it slipped right past me!) Msg 43737 is 04 line(s) on 06/26/90 from KEVIN KEYSER to CURT ROSTENBACH re: R/HAMFESTS? Curt, The only hamfest I know about is the CACHE fest to be held Sunday August 19 at DeVry. (3300 N. Campbell, Chicago, IL) I went to this one last year and picked up a few real bargins! Kevin Msg 43738 is 05 line(s) on 06/26/90 from CLIFF SHARP to ERIC BOHLMAN re: TABLE INFO Well, now I know the answer to my question. Not a lot of contents in the table, but it took a bit of explaining over the phone. Now, all I've got to do is get used to this danged 5.1 assembler. Thanks for the book suggestion, again. It's at the top of my list. Msg 43739 is 09 line(s) on 06/26/90 from JOHN SERRANO to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/HARD DRIVE WOES THE ONLY CARD I HAVE IN THE 30-286 RIGHT NOW IS AN MFM CONTROLLER THAT CAME WITH THE SEAGATE ST151. ANOTHER PERSON TOLD ME THAT IT MIGHT BE A BAD CONTACT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. THE ONLY OTHER 3RD PARTY DEVICE I HAVE INSTALLED IS A PACIFIC RIMS SYSTEM 5.25" HIGH DENSITY DRIVE. SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE I'M CONSIDERING GETTING A MicroWay 386/33 ACCELERATOR TO REPLACE MY (CRAWLING) 80286-10. I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT MicroWay IS A REPUTABLE COMPANY, AND WHETHER OR NOT THEIR PRODUCTS ARE ANY GOOD. ANY ANSWERS TO THE SECOND HALF OF THIS MESSAGE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. Msg 43740 is 16 line(s) on 06/27/90 from BRENT JONES to WARD re: GRANDVIEW Ward, How are you liking GrandView? I got a demo disk that does everything, except for saving files-crippledware. It looked OK, but not that much of an improvement on PC Outline. I also had a RED DJ ink cardridge clog up. I think it might be the ink. I used Schaeffers Skrip. How about you? I called James River Corp on their papers and transparency film. They down from 70 products (laser & ink jet) to only 5 for laser printers. Several people were quite candid with me. They say the "higher ups" made a mistake. I got an address, which I will post on CIS HP forum, where we can as a group apply continued pressure. You see they still MAKE the paper and film, they just have it in huge rolls to sell to someone else to cut up. Were you the one who said that he was sorry that he didn't skip the downloadable fonts on the DJ? Could you explain? Brent Msg 43741 is 08 line(s) on 06/27/90 from CLIFF SHARP to ALL re: SUPER VHS RENTALS? I'm so aggravated I could spit. We just bought a super VHS recorder and can't find any rental tapes in the super format! Anyone know of sources for them? Also, I've been thinking for some time about getting one of those VCR backup systems, but looking at the error rates etc. and pooh-poohing the idea. Anyone know if super VHS recorders (with their increased freq. response, etc.) are any better at this task? I haven't seen any ads or info on this anywhere. Msg 43742 is 02 line(s) on 06/27/90 from JOHN SERRANO to ALL re: CALCULATOR FOR MS-WINDOWS is there a scientific calculator program (that performs similar to an expensive hp) that runs under windows? if so, what's the going rate? Msg 43743 is 08 line(s) on 06/27/90 from DON PIVEN to CLIFF SHARP re: R/S-VHS RENTALS Well, considering that there's still around $500 between consumer VHS and S-VHS, most studios aren't releasing much on S-VHS, not to mention the lack of sources causing the lack of rentals. I would suspect that there wouldn't be any big difference using S-VHS vs VHS as a backup medium. Some stuff I read awhile back suggested that a lot of the errors was due to gross errors caused by the media. Using premium tape would probably help more than going S-VHS. Msg 43744 is 04 line(s) on 06/27/90 from DON PIVEN to JOHN SERRANO re: R/MS-WINDOWS CALC I assume you're still using Windows 2.x - Windows 3 includes an enhanced calculator which includes most of the things you find on sci calcs, plus base conversions and stat functions. It isn't programmable, though, if that was what you were referring to by "HP-like". Msg 43745 is 17 line(s) on 06/28/90 from PHIL SCHUMAN to ALL re: PC & TOKEN & AS/400 We have some questions about how and what can be done with PC's on a token ring network along with a 3174R. If the PC's are on a token ring network. 1. How is 3270 emulation done - - PC 3270 emulation software via the 3174 as a gateway ?? 2. Can we also run Netware file servers on the same physical LAN that has the 3174 and 3270 emulation?? If a AS/400 is added to the ring, along with the PC's and the 3174. What can we do with that type of environment ?? Can the PC's get to applications on the AS/400 ?? And lastly - for the AS/400 - if a another city has PC's, a token ring and a 3174R for connection to our mainframe, can we setup a link between the other city's 3174 and the AS/400 ??? or what ???? to allow the other city's PC's access to our AS/400 on the ring. Msg 43746 is 12 line(s) on 06/28/90 from PHIL SCHUMAN to ALL re: COPY '*' BUG ?? I think I have found a bug with the copy command under DOS 3.3x. We have several daily files called FILxx.DAY that we copy into a weekly file called WEEK.DAY. The command is COPY FIL*.DAY WEEK.DAY The file content has nothing to do with the bug - as we can duplicate the probelm but just copying more than 2 of any text type files. Anyway - all the files are listed as the COPY command executes. However, ONLY the 1st two files appear to be copied to the output file. Actually, ALL the files are REALLY copied, but the EOF (x'1A') is twice after the 2nd file, and then after the other files. It is on EACH input file - - and no /switch combo can has been able to fix the problem. I have tested this on Compaq DOS 3.31 and Toshiba (laptop) DOS 3.30 The killer is - it works just fine on DOS 3.10. Msg 43747 is 03 line(s) on 06/29/90 from ABRAHAM DUENAS to ALL re: 80287-6 4 SALE 80287-6 4 SALE Never used will take $50.00 (I pay shiping) (708)979-0082. Msg 43748 is 03 line(s) on 06/29/90 from RICH KINGDON to KEVIN KEYSER re: R/HAMFESTS? g try downers grove american legion hall (or one of the similar halls) on July 8th (sunday) in the am. Msg 43749 is 02 line(s) on 06/30/90 from MIKE REINHART to CURT ROSTENBACH re: R/HAMFESTS? Hey Curt, I might go to the July 8 hamfest. Call me. Mike Msg 43750 is 29 line(s) on 06/30/90 from MIKE REINHART to ALL re: HAMFEST LIST MR'S HAMFEST LIST - JULY 8 Dupage ARC American legion post 80, 4000 Saratoga , Downers Grove 8:00 AM $3.00 JULY 22 A.C.L.R The Hall, 1535 S. Harlem Ave. 8:00 AM $4.00 JULY 29 Hamfesters Radio Club Will County fair grounds, Peotone, I-57 to exit 327 (east) 45 min from Chicago 6:00 AM $5.00 AUG 12 Porter County Amateur Radio Club Porter County Fairgrounds, Valparaiso RT. 49 and Division RD. 7:00 AM $4.50 SEPT 9 CHICAGOLAND COMPUTER FAIR Montini Campus, Lombard, 16th ST. & Meyers RD. 9:30 $4.00 SEPT 15-16 SUPERFEST 90, Peoria Area Amateur Radio Club Exposition Gardens, Peoria, Northmoor and University 9:00 AM $5.00 SEPT 22-23 RADIO EXPO 90, The Chicago FM Club Lake County Fairgrounds, Grayslake, RTS. 45 & 120 9:00 AM $5.00 OCT 14 CHICAGOLAND COMPUTER FAIR (SEE SEPT 9) NOV 11 CHICAGOLAND COMPUTER FAIR (SEE SEPT 9) NOV 17-18 FORT WAYNE HAMFEST, AC-Arts Allen County War Memorial Coliseum, Exposition Center, Indiana Sat: 10 AM, Sun: 8 AM $5.50 DEC 16 CHICAGOLAND COMPUTER FAIR (SEE SEPT 9) Msg 43751 is 08 line(s) on 06/30/90 from DAVID GIBBS to PHIL SCHUMAN re: R/PC & TOKEN & AS/400 I can't give you an answer about the AS/400 & Token ring. but you might want to try posting your message on 'The Midrange System BBS' at 708-439-9679 Regards! David Gibbs, SysOp The Midrange System BBS 708-439-9679 Msg 43752 is 09 line(s) on 06/30/90 from JOHN SERRANO to ALL re: A 4 MEG SIMM? I would like to know whether or not there is such a thing as a 4meg x 9 S SIMM? While looking through the vendor's section of "PC Magazine," I came across one firm that deals with memory chips. There it was, an ad for a 4mg x 9 SIMM (selling for $549). Is that a typo, or are they referring to four 1mg x 9 memory modules? If in the event that this ad was true, then could I possibly install 4 4meg modules in my PS/2 model 30-286, for a total of 16 megabytes? Any input to this subject would be greatly appreciated. dup. chars. >Function:?