CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 03/31/90 23:26:47 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 213894; next msg =43428; 364 active msgs. Prev. call 03/28/90 @ 08:14, next msg was 43104 Recording logon for next time. Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K to abort. 42954 12/ >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 6 KILLED. 73 SUMMARY. 24 03/31/90,23:19:27,213893,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,2 03/31/90,23:26:51,213894,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, type log;or;*;short 03/28/90,08:43:07,213798,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,1 ]Off to Florida. Be back late Sat PM. Keep an eye on things. Thanks! WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/28/90,09:57:01,213799,2,PETE CANTELE,,3 03/28/90,09:59:38,213800,1,KEN STOX,,1 03/28/90,10:29:27,213801,1,AARON WRIGHT,Addison, E#43404,14 03/28/90,11:45:52,213802,2,CYRUS PATEL,,3 03/28/90,12:25:18,213803,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#43405,3 ]AArge - Aaron Wright - high school twit leaving dumb msg. ..and dumb ME asking about null printer again when I'd already asked. Sigh. WARD CHRISTENSEN, 03/28/90,14:00:10,213804,1,TONY VENTICINQUE,, E#43406,11 03/28/90,14:33:34,213805,1,JEFFREY KELLMAN,,3 03/28/90,15:36:38,213806,2,GENE BACKLIN,,5 03/28/90,16:45:38,213807,1,LANE LARRISON,,3 03/28/90,19:14:25,213808,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,, E#43407, E#43408, E#43409,11 03/28/90,21:21:59,213809,2,JIM POLOUS,,1 03/28/90,21:28:52,213810,2,DENNIS STAHL,,7 03/28/90,21:56:20,213811,9,THOM QUICK,,3 03/28/90,22:30:51,213812,2,PHIL JERN,,2 03/28/90,22:36:48,213813,1,JOHN SCOFIELD,hong kong, E#43410,15 03/28/90,23:20:38,213814,1,BEN BURDETTE,VILLA PARK/ IL,14 03/28/90,23:46:24,213815,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#43411,5 03/29/90,01:16:32,213816,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,8 03/29/90,01:52:23,213817,2,JERRY OLSEN,, E#43412, E#43413, E#43414, E#43415,16 03/29/90,02:42:38,213818,2,ROBERT WALLINGFORD,,15 03/29/90,04:07:53,213819,1,JOEY YAMBAO,Chicago/ IL,4 03/29/90,05:48:14,213820,2,ROBERT WALLINGFORD,, >Help: ??,22 03/29/90,06:10:45,213821,1,FARRAD ALI,,12 03/29/90,09:36:14,213822,2,GARY ELFRING,,1 03/29/90,10:07:35,213823,2,MARTY LINGG,,3 03/29/90,10:17:36,213824,2,DENNIS STAHL,,2 03/29/90,10:32:01,213825,1,DAVE DEVORE,,3 03/29/90,10:42:26,213826,1,SPIKE LEE,ADDISON, 03/29/90,11:30:53,213827,1,KEN STOX,,2 03/29/90,12:06:04,213828,3,WAYNE UNDERHILL,bartlett,27 03/29/90,13:29:26,213829,1,BILL MANTHEY,,4 03/29/90,13:41:28,213830,1,GOOSE GOOSAGE,,11 03/29/90,13:56:28,213831,1,GOOSE GOOSAGE,,8 03/29/90,14:40:28,213832,1,MIKE HOUK,,19 03/29/90,15:47:36,213833,1,TOM MILLS,,0 03/29/90,17:00:26,213834,2,CLIFF SHARP,, 03/29/90,17:02:49,213835,2,CLIFF SHARP,,1 03/29/90,17:04:40,213836,2,CLIFF SHARP,,11 03/29/90,17:37:47,213837,1,MIKE SANDMAN,,12 03/29/90,18:04:00,213838,2,STAN BEGGS,,5 03/29/90,18:42:47,213839,2,PHIL WOLPE,Lombard IL,4 03/29/90,18:51:49,213840,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,, E#43416, ]K,43340,RICHARD GOZDAL, 11 03/29/90,19:27:00,213841,2,SCOTT SMITH,, E#43417,11 03/29/90,20:48:32,213842,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,2 03/29/90,20:54:42,213843,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,, E#43418,14 03/29/90,21:40:13,213844,1,EDDIE COLVIN,,2 ]SEE YA }iLATER EDDIE COLVIN, 03/29/90,22:30:38,213845,1,JOHN SCOFIELD,,6 03/29/90,23:10:40,213846,2,BEN BURDETTE,,8 03/29/90,23:57:29,213847,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#43419,7 03/30/90,01:24:49,213848,2,MICHAEL DAGG,, 03/30/90,05:46:40,213849,2,PETE JONES,,1 03/30/90,05:48:30,213850,2,PETE JONES,,1 03/30/90,06:28:54,213851,1,MICHAEL MCDANIEL,, 03/30/90,06:33:04,213852,1,MICHAEL MCDANIEL,,4 03/30/90,06:46:11,213853,1,JIM FLANAGAN,,3 03/30/90,07:56:21,213854,2,BILL WOLFF,, E#43420, E#43421, E#43422,22 03/30/90,09:25:27,213855,2,JIM THALE,, E#43423,15 03/30/90,10:56:17,213856,2,JACK HOMA,,5 03/30/90,12:09:36,213857,1,KEN STOX,,1 03/30/90,12:33:24,213858,2,BILL WOLFF,,0 03/30/90,12:36:15,213859,2,BENJAMIN COHEN,,3 ]BENJAMIN COHEN, 03/30/90,15:14:05,213860,3,JAY PIAZZA,,1 03/30/90,15:30:52,213861,2,LARRY HITZ,,6 03/30/90,16:02:37,213862,2,JOHN WARREN,zermatt/ Switzerland,4 03/30/90,16:19:10,213863,2,JOEL WEINER,,2 03/30/90,16:35:57,213864,2,JEFF MARTIN,,3 03/30/90,16:43:47,213865,1,LANE LARRISON,,3 03/30/90,17:17:39,213866,1,TIMOTHY MILLS,, >Help: MESSAGES,6 03/30/90,18:31:18,213867,3,JAY PIAZZA,,1 03/30/90,19:03:59,213868,1,ALAN CAPESIUS,,2 03/30/90,19:29:50,213869,1,JOHN SCOFIELD,, E#43424,11 03/30/90,19:43:36,213870,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,, E#43425, E#43426,7 03/30/90,19:59:39,213871,1,JOSEPH SKOM,,222 03/30/90,20:02:31,213872,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,4 03/30/90,21:44:57,213873,1,JOHN HOSBEIN,,5 03/30/90,22:32:44,213874,2,GREG HALLEY,chicago/il, >Help: HELP U,4 03/30/90,23:11:42,213875,2,ALEX ZELL,, 03/30/90,23:34:32,213876,1,KEVIN COLLINS,chicago/il,9 03/31/90,01:17:33,213877,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,2 03/31/90,06:07:56,213878,2,ROBERT WALLINGFORD,, >Help: FUNCTION,24 03/31/90,06:35:06,213879,2,BILL WOLFF,,0 03/31/90,09:03:56,213880,1,ROSEMARY TERRY,Chicago,23 ]Thank you ROSEMARY TERRY, 03/31/90,10:55:55,213881,1,ROSEMARY TERRY,,11 03/31/90,13:41:37,213882,1,KEN STOX,,1 03/31/90,15:17:28,213883,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,1 ]__I see the clock's being goofy again. Check Skom's time at caller number 213871. Arrrgh. . ^---Jeez. Must be joing Ayzee's Alzheimer Club... CHARLIE KESTNER, or;43401 43401 03/28/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY OLSEN: "R/LPTX" 43402 03/28/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => STAN BEGGS: "R/PRINT RE-DIRECTION" 43403X 03/28/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "NULL PRINTER?" 43404X 03/28/90 AARON WRIGHT => JIM POLOUS: "NULL PRINTER?" 43405 03/28/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/NO PRINTER" 43406 03/28/90 TONY VENTICINQUE => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/NEED FOR MODEM PROGRAM" 43407 03/28/90 RICHARD GOZDAL => COLIN SCHROEDER: "R/386 BIOS" 43408 03/28/90 RICHARD GOZDAL => STAN BEGGS: "R/PRINT RE-DIRECTION" 43409 03/28/90 RICHARD GOZDAL => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP" 43410 03/28/90 JOHN SCOFIELD => ALL: "NON-DOS DISKS" 43411 03/28/90 ERIC BOHLMAN => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP" 43412 03/29/90 JERRY OLSEN => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/LPTX" 43413 03/29/90 JERRY OLSEN => TONY VENTICINQUE: "R/NEED FOR MODEM PROGRAM" 43414 03/29/90 JERRY OLSEN => JOHN SCOFIELD: "R/NONDOS DISKS" 43415 03/29/90 JERRY OLSEN => ALL: "RECOMMENDATIONS?" 43416 03/29/90 RICHARD GOZDAL => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP" 43417 03/29/90 SCOTT SMITH => BILL WOLFF: "DBII CONVERSION" 43418 03/29/90 COLIN SCHROEDER => JIM POLOUS: "R/SPEAR TECHNOLOGY" 43419 03/30/90 ERIC BOHLMAN => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP" 43420 03/30/90 BILL WOLFF => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/DBASE II AND III" 43421 03/30/90 BILL WOLFF => JERRY OLSEN: "R/DBASE II/III" 43422 03/30/90 BILL WOLFF => SCOTT SMITH: "R/DBII CONVERSION" 43423 03/30/90 JIM THALE => ALL: "8" DRIVE REPAIR" 43424 03/30/90 JOHN SCOFIELD => JERRY OLSEN: "R/NONDOS DISKS" 43425 03/30/90 RICHARD GOZDAL => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP" 43426 03/30/90 RICHARD GOZDAL => ALL: "80287-8 4 SALE" 43427 03/31/90 STEVE AIDIKONIS => ALL: "FOR SALE" ---- End of summary ---- Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 43401 is 02 line(s) on 03/28/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JERRY OLSEN re: R/LPTX Have you found a spooler that doesn't lock up? (I presume not since you didn't mention anything, but I thought I'd ask). Msg 43402 is 02 line(s) on 03/28/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to STAN BEGGS re: R/PRINT RE-DIRECTION Unregistered users may acces Plantz BBS from midight to 8 am for 10 minutes at 882-4227. Registration procedure is explained. No msg 43403 No msg 43404 Msg 43405 is 03 line(s) on 03/28/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/NO PRINTER Did I ever thank you for the null-printer stuff? Thanks! I won't need the little program - I've got some skeletal TSRs, and have grabbed other interrupts for my use previously. Msg 43406 is 04 line(s) on 03/28/90 from TONY VENTICINQUE to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/NEED FOR MODEM PROGRAM thank you for the info. I do not have MSDOS at work so a media conversion program will not work. A DEC dealer has promised to send me a PD modem program for the rainbow. I have called Antelope and am pleased with the info I have recieved there. The other BBS did not panout. Msg 43407 is 03 line(s) on 03/28/90 from RICHARD GOZDAL to COLIN SCHROEDER re: R/386 BIOS I think I will advertise in a Calif. computer papare to get rid of the extra computer stuff. Some of thier prices are nuts (too high) and it is used stuff on a personal sales line. Msg 43408 is 03 line(s) on 03/28/90 from RICHARD GOZDAL to STAN BEGGS re: R/PRINT RE-DIRECTION A commercial pkg for printer stuff is PrintQ. It can do a lot but didn't do too good for me on the XT with a BIG pgm I use. It can save graphics etc to disk. Msg 43409 is 07 line(s) on 03/28/90 from RICHARD GOZDAL to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP Just what I wanted, a Clipper programmer! Question..... I use DOS 4.01 and with a pgm in Clipper I get A SHARE error due to writing and reading files it makes (small ones). It writes them to my C drive while the pgm is on D drive. I gather it has something to do with checking the current drive (or NOT checking it). I this just a simple programming error or a bug with Clipper? Msg 43410 is 09 line(s) on 03/28/90 from JOHN SCOFIELD to ALL re: NON-DOS DISKS Can anyone tell me how to determine the details of the format of non-DOS-formatted disks? Using tha absolute BIOS or DOS reads seems to work, but how can I figure out how many bytes per sector, # of sectors, sectors per track, # of tracks, etc.? I'm not concerned about the details of the equivalents of boot sectors, FATs, directories, etc. - I just want to be able to access the raw data on a disk of arbitrary format. . Thanks for any help you may be able to give. Msg 43411 is 03 line(s) on 03/28/90 from ERIC BOHLMAN to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP That error usually means that the program is set up for multi-user use (SET EXCLUSIVE ON, etc.) but the system isn't set up properly. Do you have SHARE.EXE loaded? Is the program using any locking functions? Msg 43412 is 07 line(s) on 03/29/90 from JERRY OLSEN to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/LPTX Nope, haven't found anything very reliable. (You're right: I would have noted it if I had!) Rather than muck with such lock-ups, I've occasionally resorted to tricks like telling another 'puter to pretend it's a printer, redirect the DOS output to a serial port and hardwire the two. There really be something better! Msg 43413 is 05 line(s) on 03/29/90 from JERRY OLSEN to TONY VENTICINQUE re: R/NEED FOR MODEM PROGRAM I don't recall your original msg, but I presume you were looking for a PD modem program for a Rainbow. I <> a fellow named David Finke found and installed such a beast for his wife's office. If you want to pursue that, he frequents the following central-Chicago board. THE ADVOCATE-NOWAR, 312.939.4411, 24 hrs., 300-1200-2400, 8-N-1 Msg 43414 is 12 line(s) on 03/29/90 from JERRY OLSEN to JOHN SCOFIELD re: R/NONDOS DISKS I've tried a couple of PD/shareware products which helped analyzing nonDOS disk structures (and dumping contents of selected sectors), but off-hand I can't recall much in the way of names. I recall that I picked up the tools over on The Advocate (see prior msg for contact info). Seems to me one of the better ones was part of the CP/M emulator packages over on The Advocate--Z80MU or 22NICE/22DISK come to mind--but I'm not positive about that. If you still are looking for help and you can't locate something useful over there, leave me a msg on that board as a reminder and I'll dig around a little when time permits....In any case, while I've yet to find an "ideal" tool, I have been able to determine the basic structure of things as esoteric as typesetting disks with what is available. Msg 43415 is 21 line(s) on 03/29/90 from JERRY OLSEN to ALL re: RECOMMENDATIONS? I've been commissioned to submit a feature-length article for a national computer magazine on the role of software in the start-up of a small business. An emphasis will be on the of software which are important, but I'll also be naming some product names. Obviously, opinions weigh in heavily, so I'm soliciting some general input. If interested, leave comments here or directly on a board I run (The Advocate, 312.939.4411, 300/1200/2400, 8/n/1, central Chicago) by April 5....What types of products do you feel are important? Shareware responses are welcomed too, if you want to name names. Feel free to approach the question from unexpected slants. (Note: I expect to use most input as background, but attribution is possible. If you do want your name mentioned, please be say so.) Secondly, I <> plan to include quotes based upon short phone interviews. But in this case, I need people who can be "labeled." E.g., "proprietor of Gee Whiz Consultants." Or, "Computer Coordinator for the Wheaton Small Fry Company." If you have opinions on the subject and want a little free PR for your company, summarize the company and your role in it in a sentence or two and let me know when we can chat voice. If you prefer not to leave a public message, you may leave a private message on The Advocate. Thanks. Msg 43416 is 12 line(s) on 03/29/90 from RICHARD GOZDAL to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP I "do" use SHARE due to my large HDs and partitioned with DOS 4.01. I got one response today from the programmer that I should TRY: SET CLIPPER=F31 which didn't do a thing! I might CALL Calif. in a day or two after she gets my printouts to see if she understands what the SHARE pgm is doing. Interesting... I always seem to catch bugs no one else ever runs across (or reports). Seeing that the files the pgm creates and reads wind up on C while the pgm itself is on D, it HAS to be something with read/write on the "specified" drive. The wierd thing is when I hit "A"bort when the error comes up, the pgm continues (of course it doesn't read the file on C (I have to do a simple setup each time it is run on one pgm due to this). Msg 43417 is 06 line(s) on 03/29/90 from SCOTT SMITH to BILL WOLFF re: DBII CONVERSION Bill, there is a program that comes with, or used to come with the dBASE III/III+ called dCONVERT. This allows the user to convert .DBF files, .MEM, etc. to the appropriate III/III+ formats. Very easy to use, and relatively fast. Should work for you, if you don't need to go back to a dBASE II format for any reason. Leave me a msg here if you need more help with this. Msg 43418 is 14 line(s) on 03/29/90 from COLIN SCHROEDER to JIM POLOUS re: R/SPEAR TECHNOLOGY Being by nature a statistician, I wish I had that large a sample of Spear machines, but all I had was my one Spear! Actually, I've been satisfied with the hardware; it's the customer support that's been frustrating It took 7 months of phone calls and finally some serious threats (which I deplore!) to get the promised $100 rebate. Spear also suffers some quality control problems, as evidenced by the fact that I just spent three weeks and three trips to their Northbrook offices getting a problem fixed--it turns out that the mounting screws for the motherboard were lacking insulating washers (approx. .5 cents per!!), which caused shorts in the motherboard!! Now the machine is happily running DOS and UNIX in coexistence, with no apparent problems, but I'm still disappointed in the service, especially in view of the fact that the hardware technician didn't seem to know a whole lot more than I did!! Msg 43419 is 10 line(s) on 03/30/90 from ERIC BOHLMAN to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP Unless something has changed drastically between DOS 3.3 and 4.0, SHARE has nothing to do with large disk partitions. Rather, it manages multi-user access to files (mainly over a network). My Clipper manual says nothing about "SHARE ERROR" so I suspect the error is coming from SHARE itself. The fact that your program continues after you respond to the message suggests that as well. Again, at least as of 3.X, SHARE is concerned only with arbitrating access to files over a network (checking for file and record locking). There should be no reason to use it on a single-user setup unless you're doing something like running a BBS under a multitasker. Msg 43420 is 09 line(s) on 03/30/90 from BILL WOLFF to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/DBASE II AND III Yes I have heard many nice things about Fox Base. A friend of mine has it. Although I couldn't tell the difference between Fox Base and dBase III. I do hear Fox Base is more likeable. One other problem I face, is my dBase II runs on four of my computers. But dBase III only runs on one. I have some fear about having data only accessable on one computer. Although I admit, my world doesn't crumble if my computer goes down. Plus if I am worried about MS-DOS running data, why worry! Someone always has access to MS-DOS right? Msg 43421 is 01 line(s) on 03/30/90 from BILL WOLFF to JERRY OLSEN re: R/DBASE II/III Thanks for the tip! I haven't been on ADVOCATE in quite sometime. Msg 43422 is 12 line(s) on 03/30/90 from BILL WOLFF to SCOTT SMITH re: R/DBII CONVERSION You say dCONVERT? I think I have seen that somewhere. But I think I would like to switch back and forth between dBase II and dBase III. Because of my setup, I like entering data on dBase II (the computers is more accessable for me) and then transfering the data to dBase III to print the results. But may update and want to go back to dBase II. I know dBase II transfers TXT files to and from dBase! But I don't know if dBase III has that? If so, it may just work moving the data around! Or I may just abandon the whole idea and just stick to dBase III as Ward has suggested. Msg 43423 is 06 line(s) on 03/30/90 from JIM THALE to ALL re: 8" DRIVE REPAIR Does anyone know of a LOCAL repair depot for 8" Mitsubishi half-height drives? Most computer stores I've called vehemently argue that there is NO such animal! Intelligence abounds! I think Com Ed dealt me a big goof, but I have no way of being sure other than several power circuits being messed-up. Leave a msg here if you know of a place to have these fellas checked-out. Thanks. Msg 43424 is 06 line(s) on 03/30/90 from JOHN SCOFIELD to JERRY OLSEN re: R/NONDOS DISKS Jerry - Thanks for the info; I'll check out the Advocate (and answer there, too). But what I'm really after is info, not software. I want to find out HOW those programs work, not investigate the format of a specific disk. Eventually, I want to incorporate some arbitrary-format capability into some of my own software. Msg 43425 is 07 line(s) on 03/30/90 from RICHARD GOZDAL to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/HAVE CLIPPER/ WILL DEVELOP I hate to start anything when I don't know too much about the subject BUT DOS 4 asks for SHARE to be loaded with the large partitions. It must be part of the feature for partitioning large HDs. It also states in the manual that it should be used with partitions/drives over 32MB. Looks like a problem with Clipper and DOS 4. I just love these situations I get myself into with MY choise of files to use. Msg 43426 is 03 line(s) on 03/30/90 from RICHARD GOZDAL to ALL re: 80287-8 4 SALE Hoping to get an 80387-20 chip and won't need the 287 chip. Have to look at the National echo for a price on it. (312) 775-2593 early eves. Msg 43427 is 04 line(s) on 03/31/90 from STEVE AIDIKONIS to ALL re: FOR SALE Focus report writer for dbase: $25.00 SuperProject version 2.0: $50.00 Aztec C for CP/M (kaypro disks) $50.00 Call 708-289-2390 >Function:?