CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 07/25/89 22:55:12 ++LINE > 19 LONG - truncated, return to ACCEPT, ^U to RE-ENTER: CHRISTENSEN9[ODRAWM^U ?^U ?^U ?ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Welcome, new user WARD WARD Y/N Did I get your name right?n What is your FIRST name?^U ?^U ?^U ?ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 207232; next msg =42176; 368 active msgs. Prev. call 07/23/89 @ 09:16, next msg was 42159 Recording logon for next time. Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking for >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 11 KILLED. 79 SUMMARY. 25 07/25/89,22:55:29,207232,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 421 >Function:?type-50 log,ward c;or;*;short 07/23/89,09:16:11,207134,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, E#42159, E#42160,21 07/23/89,09:56:45,207135,2,DAVID GIBBS,,9 07/23/89,11:10:15,207136,1,LANE LARRISON,,2 07/23/89,11:41:13,207137,3,ART PITKIN,, E#42161,26 07/23/89,12:08:52,207138,1,LANE LARRISON,,2 07/23/89,12:13:15,207139,1,LANE LARRISON,,1 07/23/89,12:54:25,207140,3,ART PITKIN,, E#42162,20 07/23/89,13:20:43,207141,3,ART PITKIN,,2 07/23/89,13:23:41,207142,1,LANE LARRISON,,3 07/23/89,13:30:20,207143,1,LANE LARRISON,,1 07/23/89,13:54:55,207144,1,LANE LARRISON,,2 07/23/89,15:00:35,207145,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,,1 07/23/89,15:13:19,207146,1,SAN RI,CGO, 07/23/89,15:25:29,207147,1,STEVE LEINWEBER,UJJKL, 07/23/89,15:44:32,207148,1,MICHAEL BLAKE,,2 07/23/89,16:59:41,207149,2,BOB VON BORSTEL,,5 07/23/89,17:30:06,207150,2,JIM SACKETT,,7 07/23/89,17:55:47,207151,2,LARRY OCONNOR,marengo/ il, 07/23/89,19:23:30,207152,1,JASON JEFFRIES,Peoria/ IL,4 ]What the fuck is the goddamn pause!! JASON JEFFRIES, 07/23/89,20:05:38,207153,2,ART WALLER,,1 07/23/89,20:08:14,207154,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,6 07/23/89,21:23:05,207155,1,ELISA FARMILANT,chicago, ]CHAT: chatlines,14 07/23/89,22:11:41,207156,1,ELISA FARMILANT,,5 07/23/89,23:14:20,207157,3,MICHAEL PASTORELLI,,3 07/23/89,23:38:25,207158,2,PHIL JERN,,3 07/23/89,23:50:08,207159,3,ALEX ZELL,, 07/24/89,01:06:06,207160,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,2 07/24/89,01:15:42,207161,2,THOMAS WALSH,Chicago/Il,2 07/24/89,01:29:33,207162,1,RODNEY MAIER,,2 07/24/89,02:01:45,207163,2,JOE MCGUCKIN,sunnyvale/ ca,1 07/24/89,05:38:33,207164,2,PETE JONES,,1 07/24/89,06:43:44,207165,1,GEORGE MATYASZEK,, E#42163,3 07/24/89,07:18:59,207166,2,PAUL STREETER,,39 07/24/89,08:23:37,207167,1,MIKE PFLIEGER,chicago il, >Help: \,4 07/24/89,08:38:26,207168,2,TOM KOWALCZYK,,3 07/24/89,09:17:36,207169,2,DENNIS STAHL,,7 07/24/89,09:26:54,207170,2,ED FOSTER,,3 07/24/89,09:40:17,207171,2,TIM RILEY,,1 07/24/89,10:07:50,207172,2,JACK HOMA,,4 07/24/89,10:14:41,207173,2,JOHN O'HARA,,5 07/24/89,10:41:53,207174,2,ED FOSTER,,4 07/24/89,10:51:06,207175,2,ED FOSTER,, E#42164,1 07/24/89,11:19:47,207176,1,LANE LARRISON,, E#42165,3 07/24/89,14:45:58,207177,1,LANE LARRISON,,3 07/24/89,14:56:27,207178,1,BILL MANTHEY,,6 07/24/89,15:59:15,207179,1,GLENN POWERS,, >Help: LOGON, >Help: WELCCOME,5 07/24/89,16:04:21,207180,1,GLENN POWERS,,8 07/24/89,16:24:34,207181,1,JIM WALTERS,ill, 07/24/89,16:38:54,207182,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,, E#42166,11 07/24/89,18:25:21,207183,3,JOHN GOSH,scersdale ny,5 07/24/89,21:03:49,207184,2,EDWARD LEE,Chicago/ IL,7 07/24/89,21:11:04,207185,2,EDWARD LEE,,15 07/24/89,21:41:23,207186,2,JIM POLOUS,,1 07/24/89,22:14:12,207187,2,ED FOSTER,,0 07/24/89,22:18:03,207188,1,ROY PLUM,, E#42167,10 07/24/89,22:38:14,207189,2,JIM SACKETT,, E#42168,29 07/24/89,23:08:44,207190,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,4 07/24/89,23:19:26,207191,1,SCOTT WHITTLE,WHEATON/IL,12 07/25/89,00:27:19,207192,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,, E#42169,7 07/25/89,00:55:45,207193,3,ART PITKIN,,2 07/25/89,01:01:50,207194,3,ART PITKIN,,4 07/25/89,05:51:45,207195,1,MJ GRIFFIN,PANAMA CITY/ FL, ]CHAT: DO I NEED A PASSWORD FOR THIS BBS,5 07/25/89,06:00:39,207196,2,JIM THALE,,8 07/25/89,07:01:25,207197,3,ALEX ZELL,, 07/25/89,07:15:31,207198,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,3 07/25/89,07:55:39,207199,1,DENNIS STAHL,,2 07/25/89,08:43:39,207200,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,, E#42170,16 07/25/89,09:04:34,207201,2,PAUL STREETER,,23 07/25/89,09:13:42,207202,2,PAUL STREETER,,32 07/25/89,10:09:17,207203,3,RORY ARENS,CHICAGO,4 07/25/89,11:17:30,207204,2,ED FOSTER,,1 07/25/89,11:23:02,207205,3,RORY ARENS,, 07/25/89,11:32:50,207206,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,, E#42171, E#42172,8 07/25/89,11:50:49,207207,2,MICHAEL BOROWIEC,mooseheart/ il,1 07/25/89,11:53:08,207208,2,MICHAEL BOROWIEC,,1 07/25/89,12:24:31,207209,1,JOHN BURKE,,20 07/25/89,13:09:53,207210,3,BOBO LICKER,, 07/25/89,13:11:38,207211,1,SCOTT SCHMITT,,2 07/25/89,13:14:51,207212,2,MICHAEL BOROWIEC,, ]CHAT: WouHelp: BRIEF, >Help: ALL, >Help: F*,10 07/25/89,21:21:15,207225,1,BOB HIGHTOWER,, E#42173,10 07/25/89,21:29:58,207226,2,PAUL STREETER,, E#42174,30 07/25/89,21:50:15,207227,1,ALAN CAPESIUS,chicago/ il,2 07/25/89,21:57:27,207228,1,MICHAEL BLAKE,, 07/25/89,21:59:02,207229,1,MICHAEL BLAKE,,9 07/25/89,22:22:01,207230,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,, E#42175,4 07/25/89,22:33:35,207231,2,JIM POLOUS,,1 07/25/89,22:55:29,207232,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 42159 07/23/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "T1000" 42160 07/23/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY OLSEN: "R/CLEANING DISK DRIVES" 42161 07/23/89 ART PITKIN => ERIC BOHLMAN: "THANX FOR DUMB-TERMINAL INFO" 42162X 07/23/89 ART PITKIN => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/PCJR DISPLAY ADAPTER" 42163 07/24/89 GEORGE MATYASZEK => ALL: "$ FOR UPLOADS!" 42164 07/24/89 ED FOSTER => COLIN SCHROEDER: "R/386-16 FOR SALE" 42165 07/24/89 LANE LARRISON => ANYONE: "SUBST PROBLEM" 42166 07/24/89 RICHARD GOZDAL => ALL: "ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM" 42167 07/24/89 ROY PLUM => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/MSGS 17-19" 42168 07/24/89 JIM SACKETT => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM" 42169 07/25/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => LANE LARRISON: "R/SUBST PROBLEM" 42170 07/25/89 COLIN SCHROEDER => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM" 42171 07/25/89 RICHARD GOZDAL => JIM SACKETT: "R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM" 42172 07/25/89 RICHARD GOZDAL => COLIN SCHROEDER: "R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM" 42173 07/25/89 BOB HIGHTOWER => ALL: "DE PAUL LIBRARY SYS #" 42174 07/25/89 PAUL STREETER => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/ENVIRONMENT PROBLEM" 42175 07/25/89 CHARLIE KESTNER => RICHARD GOZDAL: "4DOS" - End of summary - Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 42159 is 30 line(s) on 07/23/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ALL re: T1000 Reading msg 42155 selling a PC convertible for $900 - makes me want to comment on the T1000 I just bought, used, for $725. This little gem comes with 512K and a single 720K diskette. Mine came with an option - the 768K RAM card. It can be used 3 ways (simultaneously). First, you can, if you wish, use 128K to extend DOS memory to 640K. I mostly use mine with a small editor, so left it at 512K DOS. Then, you can say how much you want to be EMS. I elected to use none. Then, the remaining can be a "non-volatile" cleverly-named "HardRAM" drive - D:. Mine is therefore 768K. This may take DOWN battery life a bit due to the additonal memory, and due to the fact that it is non-volatile i.e. the battery keeps it up, but the fact that you can do so much work without using the floppy motor, which draws a LOT of current, more than makes up for the additional memory. While it has some drawbacks - rather "scrunched" screen, no backlight, and only 4.77mhz, the built-in serial, parallel, CGA, composite, and external 5.25" parallel port REALLY make the PC Convertible look sick. OH ==> I didn't mention the best thing: its weight - 6 pounds. I already have a T1100+ (10-11 pounts) that I use all the time at work - meaning "all" the time - it powers on at the beginning of the day and off at the end. But 10 pounds is too much for a daily commute. The T1000's 6# is much more appropriate, though I DON'T carry a briefcase AND it. I understand the T1000 recently came down in price, as did the 768K card. This is in prep for some new announcements, so it MAY not be a good time to buy it, OR then again it MIGHT be a good time - I guess it depends upon whether the lowering in price is "relevant". (Uh, get what I mean? I mean if the new ones were coming out in a month and were 5x as good, then the T1000 would have to be pretty darned cheap to be worth the money). Owell, I'm happy - at least until the new announcements come. I should sell my T1100+ - I have two offers already. Msg 42160 is 22 line(s) on 07/23/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to JERRY OLSEN re: R/CLEANING DISK DRIVES I've been using PCs since '83 or so, and have never used a head cleaning kit. I have not been - uh, what word to use - "inclined" to do so because I've not had problems. Do you actually encounter unreadable diskettes that are "fixed" when you've cleaned the heads? Perhaps the fact that I've never had a floppy-only system (except my 2.5 year old Toshiba T1100+) is why I've not had problems. I HAVE had many problems with the 8" drives - but then they were often floppy-only. I used to have things like the little "pressure pads" for single-sided drives. Fortunately you could open the drives and swab them with a q-tip and isopropyl alcohol. Matter of fact, CBBS/Ward Board right now has trouble reading the inner tracks, but the same diskette reads OK in the other drive. I will open it and clean the heads, and if that doesn't do it, I'll probably swap with another drive - I have a low-usage B: drive, and a 3rd drive left over from my un-used S-100 system. (I put my two "new" double sided 8"ers on an old PC Portable, and use it for backups, etc - work GREAT, but I had to spring for a special controller that matched the funny 40 (?) pin connector on the old drives. Fortunately, it just "plugged right in" (after I struggled for a while to overcome the lack of documentation on what DIRECTION to plug the non-polarized plug into - I did so be using an ohmmeter to find which side were all grounded on both plug and socket). Msg 42161 is 15 line(s) on 07/23/89 from ART PITKIN to ERIC BOHLMAN re: THANX FOR DUMB-TERMINAL INFO Eric, thanks for the info about the "dumb terminals." That's exactly the type of info I was looking for -detailed specific info on using the terminals and connecting-up to distant host via phone line, from someone who speaks from first-hand experience. When I read that some terminal (I forget which one) had a RS232C port I strongly suspected that connecting one to a modem would be just as easy (or difficult!) as connecting a computer to a modem. But to hear you state it as a fact is much more reassuring than something I have only figured out by logic. Although I've spent what seems to me to be a lot of time down at the Chgo Public Library downtown checking on books and magazsine articles, the type of very-useful info you gave has not come to me from any source other than users of this BBS. So thanks again for your thoughtful and extensive answer to my request for vicarious first-hand experience with "dumb terminals." No msg 42162 Msg 42163 is 05 line(s) on 07/24/89 from GEORGE MATYASZEK to ALL re: $ FOR UPLOADS! Hmmm, there's a BBS in town that's actually offering a tidy sum of $100.00 for the mosfiles uploaded by 10-1-89. Anyone can call 312/622-7080! Chck it out! All the latest files are there now! Msg 42164 is 05 line(s) on 07/24/89 from ED FOSTER to COLIN SCHROEDER re: R/386-16 FOR SALE Colin, please give me a call at 312-584-2989. I have decided that it is time to get into a 386. Already have a couple of mono monitors and cards, though, including a genuine Hercules Plus. Storage considerations require that I ask you to separate the monitor. How many slots does the machine have open? Msg 42165 is 10 line(s) on 07/24/89 from LANE LARRISON to ANYONE re: SUBST PROBLEM A friend asked me to configure his XT style computer so that it substituted an alphabetical character for a path name. All of our office PC's and XT's are setup this way: So I did. I changed the CONFIG file, set up the appropriate directory names and changed the AUTOEXEC file to SUBST the character for the name. It worked fine for a time, then suddenly began issuing "Cannot subst networked drive" on boot-up. There is, of course, no network. All the machines are running under DOS 3.2. Does anyone know what would be causing this error? (Networked directories aren't documented in the manuals that I've gotten to so far.) Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. Msg 42166 is 13 line(s) on 07/24/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL to ALL re: ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM Just loaded DOS 4.01 and got all my files organized. The problem I have MIGHT have happened with DOS 3.2 IF I had used the same AUTOEXEC.BAT but I do have it now. My "major" program I run "set"s two names prior to running. If I use the Autoexec.bat file I made with all the paths for QuickBasic and it's routines, MY program shows "out of environmental space". If I limit my autoexec.bat file to "dos/batch" sub dirs. and a few small pgms, it is OK. How does the size of the autoexec.bat cause the environment to run out of space? I will have to have TWO such files and rename and re-boot for QBasic if I can't figure out what is happening and how to correct it. I gather you can load another Command processor with MORE environmental space but I get lost there. Msg 42167 is 03 line(s) on 07/24/89 from ROY PLUM to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/MSGS 17-19 I seem to recall that that was were the list had always been for as long as I could remember. I did not see any reference to it. I did find the new listings in msgs 42053 and on, as I scanned. Msg 42168 is 12 line(s) on 07/24/89 from JIM SACKETT to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM I had a problem with a nice program I wrote to menu select different applic ations. The same error would occur. I found that when the application loaded and I ran my application everything was fine. However when I re- turned to the original program that called it - the program was duplicated in memory and the application would no longer have the room to run. I now run in UNIX which forced me to abandon my menu program completely due to limited space. I also run solid DOS 3.2 when running First Publisher due again to the memory limitations. You may want (or have too) weed out things in your autoexec. you don't need. You can use PCTOOLS or DEBUG to see if duplication might be the case. Then the other option is add more memory. Jim Sackett Msg 42169 is 03 line(s) on 07/25/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN to LANE LARRISON re: R/SUBST PROBLEM 1) make sure that your LASTDRIVE is set properly. 2) make sure you aren't SUBSTing anything that's already been SUBSTed (i.e. if you said SUBST E: C:\LANGUAGE, don't then say SUBST F: E:\TURBO). Msg 42170 is 22 line(s) on 07/25/89 from COLIN SCHROEDER to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM Richard: The problem you've run into has a simple solution in DOS 3.X, which (I think) has disappeared with 4.01. In 3.X, you could use the SHELL command in config.sys to expand the envir- onment space to however many bytes you wanted it to be, but 4.01 did away with the /E:# switch on the SHELL command, at least for COMMAND.COM. What's happening is that PATH, SET, and certain other variables are loaded into the environment as strings (you can display environment contents by typing SET at the dos command line). When your program issues SET commands and the environment is almost full, it overflows and you get a nasty error message (actually this one is almost too innocuous, given its consequences). Cutting down your autoexec.bat solves this problem by loading less info into the environment at boot time, and thus leaving more room for your program's SETs. Since I run into this problem fairly often in supporting the stats package produced by my company, I often recommend against upping to dos 4.01, but that probably doesn't help you. I don't know of a simple solution to your dilemma, but you might contact microsoft and ask them (also ask 'em ifthey're going to "fix" the SHELL command-dropping the /E switch was a major faux pas!) Colin Msg 42171 is 06 line(s) on 07/25/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL to JIM SACKETT re: R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM I can't add more memory to the XT. Think for now I will put PLENTY of my commands in the last line of the Autoexec.bat, which is a batch file and let that carry it along. I WILL have to switch autoexec.bat files for certain applications then reboot and this seems the simplest besides getting upset with MS and sending them one of my nasty letters. Msg 42172 is 05 line(s) on 07/25/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL to COLIN SCHROEDER re: R/ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM I guess after shelling out $130 for DOS 4.01, I WILL let MS have a piece of my mind. Maybe they will just send an optional command to use. Whatever, it MIGHT help. I have so many MS pgms that I should be able to get nasty enough without being sued for my thoughts! Msg 42173 is 02 line(s) on 07/25/89 from BOB HIGHTOWER to ALL re: DE PAUL LIBRARY SYS # The phone nuer for the De Paul LCS System has changed. It is now 341-5368. Msg 42174 is 17 line(s) on 07/25/89 from PAUL STREETER to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/ENVIRONMENT PROBLEM I checked a PCDOS 4.0 manual today at wor{ and the /E parameter of the SHELL command of CONFIG.SYS is still there. The shell command is a bit confusing as you do not really want to substitute another program for COMMAND.COM (unless you know you want to and why) but is you so{cify SHELL at all you apparently must code in what would otherwise be a default. The SHELL command will look like this (from my CONFIG.SYS for MSDOS 3.2on my Tandy 1000): SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /P /E:1024 This raises the environment space from the default of 160 bytes to 1024. You can make it any value up to 32K, but 1K was enoughfor me. The PATH and COMSPEC occupy environment space so it is common to need to increase it. I use REALIA COBOL which has an option of specifying files the way MVS COBOL does with SET statement subdtituting for DD cards, so 160 bytes did not go far for me. By the way, if there are any MSDOS 3.1 users still out there, The shell command can increase the environment space in that version also, but the syntax is different and not in the manual. I can get if if anyone wants it. Msg 42175 is 03 line(s) on 07/25/89 from CHARLIE KESTNER to RICHARD GOZDAL re: 4DOS Try this shareware program. (See my/Phil Newman's running msgs on Ward Bd 849-1132 on this (topic.) dup. chars. >Function:?