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#: 20147 S1/General Interest
    21-Jul-94  02:07:14
Sb: #20144-OS9 VME-147 HD driver
Fm: David M. Horn 73260,242
To: Themis Kardambikis 76620,3434 (X)

One problem that existed back in those days (v2.2) was that OS-9 only did 256
byte sectors.  Some OS-9 ports required SCSI drives that supported 256 byte
sectors.  I don't know if this is true of the MVME-147 port.  It has been a
long
time since I have seen a SCSI drive that still supports 256 byte sectors.  You
also might try a newer version SCCS type driver.  The last SCCS drivers before
VCCS knew how to pack two 256 byte sectors into a 512 byte physical sector.

If you have more questions, I can try to help.  Use this forum or send E-Mail
directly.

#: 20150 S1/General Interest
    21-Jul-94  21:21:06
Sb: #Microware?
Fm: michael strzalka 71641,2117
To: all

Can anyone tell me if Microware went out of business and/or if os9000 is still
available somewhere?

There are 3 Replies.

#: 20151 S1/General Interest
    22-Jul-94  11:15:19
Sb: #20150-Microware?
Fm: David M. Horn 73260,242
To: michael strzalka 71641,2117 (X)

Microware is alive and well.  They still sell )S-9000.  Their phone number is
(515)224-1929.

#: 20154 S1/General Interest
    22-Jul-94  17:31:56
Sb: #20150-Microware?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: michael strzalka 71641,2117 (X)

Microware is alive and well as is their flagship product, OS9000.


*- Steve -*


#: 20156 S1/General Interest
    22-Jul-94  19:18:40
Sb: #20150-Microware?
Fm: Zack Sessions 71532,1555
To: michael strzalka 71641,2117 (X)

 > Can anyone tell me if Microware went out of business and/or if os9000 is
 > still available somewhere?
 >

Microware is still in business and still sells OS9K.


 ------------------------------------
  Zack C Sessions

    They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".


#: 20155 S1/General Interest
    22-Jul-94  17:51:24
Sb: #OS-9 Lv-3
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: anyone

From the Inet, I heard that Microware has developed OS9 level 3.  Does anyone
know the availability and cost, and with which machines it can be used?  Also,
what the features are?             -ph-

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20158 S1/General Interest
    23-Jul-94  12:31:30
Sb: #20155-#OS-9 Lv-3
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)

Paul,

Are you talking about the message on the internet which mentioned that at one
time, someone was going to develop a 6809 Level 3?

Or do you mean OS9/68K version 3.0?  That's out and usable on 680x0 systems. It
adds a bunch of smaller features; the main one being preemptive file managers.

kev

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20159 S1/General Interest
    23-Jul-94  18:15:04
Sb: #20158-#OS-9 Lv-3
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kev, I'm not sure,  but the following is clipped out of the cocolist msg:


> CoCo OS-9 may be close to ten years old, but the latest version of OS-9
> from Microware is an state of the art operating system, see the last
> issue of Pipelines for details of OS-9 version 3.


I've not heard of Pipelines or how to check the article.    -ph-

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20160 S1/General Interest
    24-Jul-94  00:15:44
Sb: #20159-OS-9 Lv-3
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)

Paul,

Yep, that's OS9/68K version 3.  Has a lot of little realtime tuning options
plus more speed handling some function calls, along with new binary semaphores
and other stuff I can't recall at the moment.  We've got it in at work but
haven't installed it yet (altho I think we will soon).

"Pipelines" is Microware's newsletter.  You can call them to get a free
subscription (515-224-1929).

kev

#: 20162 S1/General Interest
    25-Jul-94  22:11:41
Sb: #SOURCEBOOK
Fm: tom farrow 72701,543
To: ALL

STARTING UP NEW OS9 SOURCE BOOK NEED YOUR HELP IN GETTING THE MAX OUT OF IT.
SEND YOUR INFO TO TOM FARROW 660 EL PASO BLVD DENVER ,CO 80221 DELPHI TMF
72701,543 HERE AT COMPUSERVE EXIT

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20163 S1/General Interest
    25-Jul-94  22:55:19
Sb: #20162-#SOURCEBOOK
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X)

Hi Tom! Just what is the source book and what kind of information do you want?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20166 S1/General Interest
    29-Jul-94  22:19:24
Sb: #20163-#SOURCEBOOK
Fm: tom farrow 72701,543
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

NAME ADDRESS PHONE NUMBER brief description of product and or services . Any
limitations (68020+ or what ever works only on TC70 ) . I hope that this
answers your questions. I was going to call you about this today 7/29/94 and
ask you to contribute, but you beat me to it . So far I have recieved one
responce from my mailing a Dr E.M.Pass from computer systems consultants , Inc.
I hope that you can help by telling others about my endevour. Thanks for the
responce and if I need help on VED with putting this together I'll get in touch
with you.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20167 S1/General Interest
    31-Jul-94  13:03:25
Sb: #20166-#SOURCEBOOK
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X)

OK, Tom. I'll fire some stuff to you in tomorrow's mail.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20170 S1/General Interest
    01-Aug-94  22:06:58
Sb: #20167-SOURCEBOOK
Fm: tom farrow 72701,543
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203

I'll look forward to it. Thanks.

#: 20165 S1/General Interest
    28-Jul-94  23:11:36
Sb: NitrOS-9 v1.20
Fm: Ken Scales 74646,2237
To: All

From:  cmckay@northx.isis.org  "Colin McKay"
 =================== Cross-posted by request / Ken S ========================

Attention NitrOS-9 Owners -------------------------

Version 1.20 is almost finished, and work on the new manual has begun. The
current goal for completion is 15 August (and this self-imposed deadline
appears to be realistic.)

The authors are attempting to contact all current owners of NitrOS-9 to arrange
for upgrades.

Any and all owners of NitrOS-9 are requested to contact Northern Xposure via
email or snailmail with your current address so that we can get the upgrade
information to you. This includes all owners that sent in the registration
cards that came with earlier versions of NitrOS-9.

Any owners who have purchased NitrOS-9 from the Northern Xposure booth at
either the Atlanta Fest in 1993, or the Chicago Fest in 1994 need not respond
to this request, unless your address has changed.

Please send messages to:

Internet: cmckay@northx.isis.org   Snail Mail: Northern Xposure
                                               7 Greenboro Cres
                                               Ottawa, ON
                                               Canada
                                               K1T 1W6

-- Colin McKay             | Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate. Northern
Xposure        | Dante (1265-1321) 'Inferno', Canto iii cmckay@northx.isis.org
| [ Inscription  over the gate to Hell ]

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 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237
         ** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress **

#: 20171 S7/Telecommunications
    01-Aug-94  22:40:00
Sb: #20129-Help with MM/1 hi speed
Fm: Ken Scales 74646,2237
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203

 > The other thing to watch for on the HS serial ports is that the baud
 > rates selected are compatible. Don't have the list right now...but you
 > can't do things like set one for 19.2 and the other for 38.4. You can do
 > 9600 and 19.2, or 9600 and 38.4, or both 38.4, etc. If it isn't here, I
 > could type up the data from the 68681 data sheet and post it here.

Good point, Bob.  I had forgotten about that one.  Dunno offhand if there is a
good reference file describing this or not -- anybody out there aware of one?

Regards... / Ken
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 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237
         ** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress **

#: 20148 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Jul-94  08:40:08
Sb: #20146-HELP- FILE TRANSFER
Fm: James Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442
To: David Esleck 74004,1600 (X)

Hook the two computers together using their serial ports. Run a communications
program (terminal program) on each computer and then "download" from one
computer to the other.

You'll need a "null Modem adaptor" on one end of the cable (or else a special
cable). The purpose of this cable is to swap TD and RD from one end to the
other.

You can probably get away with using just serial pins 2,3 & 7. I suspect you
will probably need to jumper CD (and maybe DSR and/or CTS too) high on each end
of the cable (to fool each computer) to get things to work. Take a look at the
DOCs for the serial ports for each computer and note the directions of the
various signals and this should make more sense. Ask here if you need more help
with this.

-J

#: 20149 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    21-Jul-94  21:05:12
Sb: #fsave, tar and tape
Fm: Eric Levinson 74471,1241
To: all

I have been trying to figure out how to save incremental backups to a single
tape.  Is this possible with the above menioned programs?

I would like to fit 30 or so of them on one tape.

Eric

There are 2 Replies.

#: 20152 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    22-Jul-94  11:15:49
Sb: #20149-fsave, tar and tape
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Eric Levinson 74471,1241 (X)

You need to use  device that doesn't effect an automatic rewind on close. If
you're using an archive viper or equivalent, Carl Kreider may be able to help
you out.

Pete

#: 20153 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    22-Jul-94  11:22:46
Sb: #20149-#fsave, tar and tape
Fm: David M. Horn 73260,242
To: Eric Levinson 74471,1241 (X)

Eric,

I don't think fsave knows how to append to a tape.  However, the theory of tar
is that it only makes one pass on the tape.  Therefore, if you don't rewind you
can tar more than once on a tape.  tar puts a "tape mark" after each tar file
to keep things organized.  In real life, do your backup and rewind.  Next time,
use the tape command to skip to the next tape mark, then tar.  I KNOW this
works in UNIX, it should also work in OS-9.  However, I can't get to a copy of
tar to try it today.  If you need more help on this, speak up.  

There is 1 Reply.

#: 20157 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    22-Jul-94  21:35:12
Sb: #20153-fsave, tar and tape
Fm: Eric Levinson 74471,1241
To: David M. Horn 73260,242 (X)

Okay, I will check out TAR.  Now for the meat.  Theoretically, I can pipe dsave
to tar with the last backup date.  I will see if that works.

Eric

#: 20161 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    25-Jul-94  19:00:32
Sb: MGR is too much!
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: all

Hi y'all, long time no see.  The Atari ST port of OSK from Cumana- Reccoware is
gettin' up to speed.  Wolfgang Ocker at Reccoware sent me a diskette w/ new
STHD driver and VTD.  What in the world is VTD? I've looke everywhere in the
doc'n Cumana sent me and there's nothing about it.  Plus Wolfgang included a
German 'readme' for the newer STHD driver which I can't comprehend.  Oh well.

What really brings me here is that a few people on the CoCo listserver
suggested I contact Kevin Darling (again :) and possibly try talking him into,
somehow, helping to get his K-W going for the Atari.  I'm rather desparate now.
I don't know if there's an Atari port of G-W either (still, despite my
botherin' y'all once in a while to rehash the subject!).

Here's the rub:  Wolfgang sent me a letter giving prices of the MGR software &
application libs for the Atari monchrome-mode only. Uh you may want to sit
down: it's DM 550 for the run-time and DM 850 for the libs.  So I can develop
my things, I am thinking MGR would be more 'popular' everywhere rather than K
or G.  With Reccoware's 10% discount (by buying both MGR pkgs together), I'd
still be shelling out close to US$ 790 minimum (not including postage, taxes,
etc.).  Yes that's seven-hundered-and-ninety bucks there.

So I'm back to square one:  Where do I now go for info on K & G for Atari ST
OSK, please?

-- thx, Paul Seniura (in Oklahoma City)

#: 20168 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Aug-94  08:16:26
Sb: #ispell and screen
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,

I've been having a problem with Ispell and your version of screen. As I
originally thought the problem was with Ispell, I started the following
discussion over on Delphi so Ken could see it quickly. But we've since
discovered that it might be more important that you get involved.

Attached is the thread. Your comments would be appreciated!


88940 Sat 30-Jul-94 17:57 OSK Applications (8)
     ispell and screen
  From: SCWEGERT     To: KSCALES


Ken,

I'm finding some difficulties using Ispell under screen. When I hit the '?' for
help in Ispell, the help message overwrites itself as if line feeds were turned
off.

Also, when attempting to quit Ispell, you're prompted whether you wish to save
the changes. Answering Yes .. all is well, but answering No, Ispell just beeps
and returns you to the prompt.

Any idea what's happening?

*- Steve -*


-*-

88946 Sat 30-Jul-94 23:28 OSK Applications (8)
     RE: ispell and screen (Re: Msg 88940)
  From: KSCALES      To: SCWEGERT (NR)


Hi, Steve -

 > I'm finding some difficulties using Ispell under screen. When I hit the
 > '?' for help in Ispell, the help message overwrites itself as if line
 > feeds were turned off.

Just tried it here using 'screen' on a standard 80x26 MM/1 'vsc' type 0 window,
and it worked OK.  Guess we'll need to narrow things down a little bit.  My
version of screen says that it's edition 7, CRC $F76802.  I don't remember if
this is the original one from the database here, or if is one of Bob van der
Poel's updates.  Hmmm... the date on it is 92/03/30, so it must be the
original.

'Screen' builds its own TERMCAP environment variable, which is a combination of
its ANSI emulator, plus characteristics from the original device (e.g., number
of lines and columns).  Following are some of the relevant entries resulting
from a 'printenv' on my system: STY=w2 TERM=screen TERMCAP=SC|screen|VT
100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal|\
        :DO=\E[%dB:LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:bs:bt=\E[Z:\
        :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[2J\E[H:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ct=\E[3g:\
        :do=\E[B:nd=\E[C:pt:rc=\E8:rs=\Ec:sc=\E7:st=\EH:up=\E[A:\
        :li#26:co#80:us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:so=\E[3m:se=\E[23m:\
        :sr=\EM:al=\E[L:AL=\E[%dL:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:dc=\E[P:\
        :DC=\E[%dP:im=\E[4h:ei=\E[4l:ic=:IC=\E[%d@:kd=^N:kl=^B:\
        :kr=^F:ku=^P: WINDOW=0 PORT=/tty00

Any other info you might be able to provide regarding your setup will help.

 > Also, when attempting to quit Ispell, you're prompted whether you wish to
 > save the changes. Answering Yes .. all is well, but answering No, Ispell
 > just beeps and returns you to the prompt.
 >
 > Any idea what's happening?

Yes, you are the second person to comment on this.  When I ported 'ispell', I
tried to make it a bit clearer to the user what would happen to the changes
entered during the session.  I guess that I didn't completely succeed.

If you type 'x' to 'eXit', you receive the following prompt:
   Exit, ABANDONING changes:  <y/n>? Responding 'y' will terminate the program,
and abandon the changes. Responding 'n' indicates that you do not want to Exit,
and returns back to spellchecking mode.

Similarly, if you type 'q' to 'Quit', you receive this prompt:
   Quit, saving changes:  <y/n>? Responding 'y' will terminate the program
after saving the changes. Responding 'n' indicates that you do not want to
Quit, and returns back to spellchecking mode.  It was not intended to mean
"Quit without saving the changes" -- that is what "eXit" does.

Sorry if you found this confusing.  I think the '?' help screen provides a bit
of a clarification, but I can understand how you could mis-interpret the second
prompt.

Regards... / Ken

-*-

88957 Sun 31-Jul-94 12:42 OSK Applications (8)
     RE: ispell and screen (Re: Msg 88946)
  From: SCWEGERT     To: KSCALES


 > Just tried it here using 'screen' on a standard 80x26 MM/1 'vsc' type 0
 > window, and it worked OK.  Guess we'll need to narrow things down a
 > little bit.  My version of screen says that it's edition 7, CRC $F76802.
 > I don't remember if this is the original one from the database here, or if
 > is one of Bob van der Poel's updates.  Hmmm... the date on it is 92/03/30,
 > so it must be the original.

The version I'm using is edition 7 CRC $2AF2C3 .... which is the one Bob
uploaded to the OS9 Forum on CompuServe.

I'm running screen on a Wy50 terminal with the ANSI emulation board installed.

This is on an MM/1. Here are my relevant environment entries:

STY=t1 TERM=screen TERMCAP=SC|screen|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal|\
        :DO=\E[%dB:LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:bs:bt=\E[Z:\
        :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[2J\E[H:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ct=\E[3g:\
        :do=\E[B:nd=\E[C:pt:rc=\E8:rs=\Ec:sc=\E7:st=\EH:up=\E[A:\
        :ho=^^:le=^h:\
        :li#24:co#80:us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:so=\E[3m:se=\E[23m:\
        :mb=\E[5m:md=\E[1m:mr=\E[7m:me=\E[0m:sr=\EM:al=\E[L:\
        :AL=\E[%dL:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ks=\E=:\
        :ke=\E>:k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:kb=^H:kd=\EOB:\
        :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ku=\EOA: WINDOW=1 PORT=/tty/scr0.0

 > Any other info you might be able to provide regarding your setup will
 > help.

I first thought it might be a problem with my tmode settings, but playing with

the lf parameter and setting it to nolf, I get the expected results of
_everything_ overwriting itself, not just the help file. Also did this with
pause/nopause just to convince myself screen was using these parameters
correctly.

Next, I saved a copy of the termcap created for screen and added it to my
termcap file. I exited screen and set my TERM environment variable to screen
and fired up Ispell. Worked just fine.

 > Yes, you are the second person to comment on this.  When I ported
 > 'ispell', I tried to make it a bit clearer to the user what would happen
 > to the changes entered during the session.  I guess that I didn't
 > completely succeed.
 >

Ahhh ... a feature .... not a bug!  :-)  Ok ... I understand. Not being able to
see the help screen, I was thrown off by the different approach. Not a problem.

Since this involves the version Bob worked on, is he active here? Or should I
cross post this thread "over there"?

Thanks for the help!

*- Steve -*


-*-

88986 Mon 1-Aug-94 02:08 OSK Applications (8)
     RE: ispell and screen (Re: Msg 88957)
  From: KSCALES      To: SCWEGERT (NR)


 > The version I'm using is edition 7 CRC $2AF2C3 .... which is the one Bob
 > uploaded to the OS9 Forum on CompuServe.

Jim Pottage dropped by on Sunday, and happened to come with a version of
'screen' he had obtained from Bob... again, Edition 7, but CRC $C63E9A. This
exhibited the same symptoms that you describe.

I dug out another one I received from Bob last fall.  Edition 7, with CRC
$6ABBC0.  Same problem that you reported.

 > I'm running screen on a Wy50 terminal with the ANSI emulation board
 > installed. This is on an MM/1. Here are my relevant environment entries:
        <<<< deleted >>>>

Thanks for the info.  I will spend a bit of time reviewing it.  BTW, does the
help panel appear OK on the Wyse when you are not running 'screen'?

Do you have similar problems with anyother
is 'ispell' the only one?

 > Since this involves the version Bob worked on, is he active here? Or
 > should I cross post this thread "over there"?

No, Bob doesn't frequent these parts, so it may be best to cross-post on CIS.
Since I grab the messages there every week or two, I will also see the
discussions (though not as timely as here).

Regards... / Ken

-*-

88958 Sun 31-Jul-94 12:42 OSK Applications (8)
     RE: ispell and screen (Re: Msg 88946)
  From: SCWEGERT     To: KSCALES


One more thing, Ken. (I didn't want to test this while I was composing my last
message in case things headed off to Mars)

I fired up Ispell on a normal MM/1 window, and tested the "?", worked just
fine. Cranked up screen on the same window, then executed Ispell and I have the
same problem with the help file.

Curious.

*- Steve -*



*- Steve -*


There is 1 Reply.

#: 20169 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Aug-94  20:03:55
Sb: #20168-ispell and screen
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255

Of course, the easy answer is to dump Ispell and use VED (you are a Ved owner,
aren't you?).

Seriously <g>, I don't think that the problem(s) are with SCREEN. More likely
it is with the pty manager/driver. These are not very solid... I just noticed
that when doing a readln() under screen/ptyman the incorrect number of
characters read is returned when doing a ctrl-a. I know this isn't the problem
you are talking about...but I suspect similar problems.

However, I must add that I use SCREEN very regularly on my other system (on a
terminal) and have had really no problems. I did add a few more items to the
termcap entry (Bell is one, if I recall correctly). Guess I should upload this
one of these days.

Tell you what, I'm going to try to figure out how ptyman works. If I can figure
out the bug there...I'll put a package together. Of course, if there are any
volunteers who wish to do this for me....

BTW, Ken could help on this project by letting us know how data is written to
the screen. write() or writeln() or buffer i/o? Is Ispell sending CRs, LFs or
combinations?


#: 20164 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    27-Jul-94  09:57:16
Sb: Lets Jam
Fm: Max Andrews 73162,1236
To: ALL

Looking for band members in the Cincinnati OH area. Post to Max at 73162,1236.

Press <CR> !>